Iran vows to avenge Scientist's assasination

This man from the CIA does not agree with you

Israeli Official: "World should thank Israel" for murdering Iranian Scientist; CIA's Brennan: "Act of state-sponsored terrorism" (juancole.com)

I am aware that Israel kills people all the time so it makes sense that you would feel this is acceptable. However this is the second time this year that Israel with the US has been involved in the murder of someone which was simply a murder. Hopefully Iran will go with Biden, they will quickly get the JCPOA going again and this international terrorism will stop - though as several people have said, these two killings do tell eveyone else they should be able to get away with murder too if Israel and the US do.

 

Opinions are a great thing

It's acceptable because we are at war with Iran and yes I wouldn't call them terrorists if they kill our Generals either, I would if they just bomb civilians to cause pain with no military objective. and none of that makes me happy btw, perhaps a deal with them would be better perhaps they truly cant be trusted I dont know, I'm sitting this one out...
But he wasn't a civilian...like a spy isn't.

 

Iran is wetting it's pants, not KSA.
Their 2nd Sulemani was killed under their nose.. the Ayatullas are under pressure.
The Pro Islamo Jihados will not win , peace will spread in the M.E.
Inshallah

 

In a criminal trial. If Israel feared to be the victim of a false flag operation and smeared as such, it would most propably deny these accusations.

 

You have showed your a allegiance to the BDS, Hamas and many other hate groups often enough in this forum, plus your justification of shooting Kassam-rokets on civilians more than enough. And made your point clear, Israel should perish when it comes to people like you. God may preserve us if your kind ever takes control.

 

Why should they reject it? They were not accused in the first place?

Israel was accused of it. No clear reactions, just justifications of this murder.

 

Nope, there is no denial. A minister states he has no clue about it.

What would indeed make the situation a little different, did Israel declare war on Iran? Or vice versa? I think you stated this.

What I find funny in some way the arguments from the pro-Israeli side here.

1. Israel did not do it
2. They were right to do so.

 

Not so fast. In your logic to justify this murder you declare it as a legitimate act to kill a civil servant who holds ranks in the military. A vast majority of the Israelis served as conscripts in the army. According to your own logic, there is only a very low number of people who should have the status as a civilians, the overwhelming majority must be legitimate military targets according to your absurd logic that you may kill any civil servant who holds ranks in the military.

Or what is the difference of Iranian civilians who holds ranks in the military and Israeli civilians who holds a rank in the military?

 

It isn't double standards, it's war. It isn't open declared war but it is war never the less.

 

"Glücksritter,

This is just more of your malicious baiting. BDS is a Political position just as it was in connection with South Africa. You clearly are not someone who believes in democracy.

What the **** are you talking about? I do point out when people misrepresent Hamas which they frequently do. I have never unlike yourself I am sure been involved in hate groups. I am unaware of having justified shooting rockets though I may have pointed out things like them being a response to Israel's bombs and that calling it a war is ridiculous give the supreme ability of Israel to destroy Gaza and that Israel kills far more Palestinians than have ever killed Israelis. This is reality. Again you show that you are such a spiteful person that if anyone disagrees with you which is what debate is all about is, you will start making hatedful and untrue assertions. I have never once said Israel should perish. I have said that the only just way left to resolve the solution is one state with equal rights for all. Israel was warned some years ago by the Palestine Israeli Journal round table that if she did not not only stop settlements but withdraw from others, she would find there was no possibility of a Jewish State. It would need to be one state for all its citizens. You would appear to hate Palestinians/Muslims so much that you cannot bare anyone seeing that they are also human beings with the same rights as everyone else.

You try this disgusting behaviour towards me one more time and you will be reported. In the meantime you are going on ignore. I am not going to waste more time on you.

I am guessing the reason you have taken so long and have given not one example of your libelous accusations is because you could not find one. That is because they are not true. They all belong to your own mind.

Your post did not come up because you are already on ignore.

 

Why should I look for something everyone knows in this forum who ever read your comments and which you despite of all your anger you have to admit even in your post.

You admitted you supported the BDS hate group, you took over their lies Israel was a state of Apartheid, you try to whitewash Hamas and talk of "misrepresentations" of a terrorist group whose aim is to kill Jews is even part of their charta.

You finally react outraged that I concluded your call in this forum always has been Israel should perish with a statement ... yeah for the end of the existence of Israel. Lol, really convincing.

 

Could be. I did not follow this on a regular base. After all she seems to agree with the aims of BDS, Hamas and others.

 

I just replied to you Gilos but took so long it wanted me to sign in again and I decided to go back instead so that the post was not lost and it was lost! May try again in a day or two.

 

and we all know that some Germans tell Jews they are antisemetic. That is Germans whose parents or grandparents murdered Jews still carry with them the idea that they are superior to Jews and so them, the people with the background of being genocidally antisemetic still believe they are so superior to Jews and so can call them antisemetic,

I am surprised German courts have not managed to stop your Government in its desire to harm Palestinians but Max Blumentahal one of the Jews some of you Germans call antsemites thinks he knows exactly why. He believes it is because Germans are still the same antisemetic slime they were 42-45 and that they see Israel in her colonialism of Palestine as a people they can relate to. That was what he thought. To make BDS illegal is to support Colonialism and demand an end to the Palestinians and free speech and democracy. Yes he is right.

 

Palestinians support violence and terror , you support them.

 

A couple of comments:
1) HOORAY for John BRENNAN!

2) I agree that, while the scientist was, "a military target," as there is no declared war between Iran and any other state (Israel), killing foreign military targets is a violation of international law. It is almost too ludicrous of an assertion to merit a reply that
merely being a member of a country's military makes one a legitimate target for any other country.

3) I object to your inclusion of the U.S. in this killing. Though common sense grants, for the purpose of argument, the assumption that Israel was behind this, it's case for U.S. involvement is far weaker. I'm not saying it's not possible, just that it does not warrant being assumed.

If anything, President Trump may only have been notified of the plan. Then again, knowing what a sieve of top-secret info we have in Trump, the Israelis could be expected to know better.

 

we are in agreement there.

There is plenty of evidence suggesting Trump was up to an attack on Iran

24th November 2020

https://www.express.co.uk/news/worl...an-Middle-East-Hassan-rouhani-nuclear-bombers

I think Trump being notified of the plan is minimising. Trump would have liked to have done worse himself in the name of the US. I also think it would be wrong to believe this was 'only Trump'. Trump's base and your vice President and Pompeo are Christian Zionists many of them like Pompeo and Pence of the extreme type. They are well up for Iran being attacked. While it is true that Trump's advisors did manage to stop the US attacking Iran, this obviously gave Israel a massive pat on the back to do something herself and very likely involved US imput.


The general idea for Israel killing this man at this time appears to be that he is held in esteem almost as high ...well pretty near it sould be difficult to be as high as Soleimani. Because he is held in high esteem and given that the US had already killed Soleimani, the belief was that the motivation for this attack was to stop Biden from returning to the JCPOA. They apparently hoped that this second killing would goad Iran into doing something intensely stupid which might then result in the US 'having' to go to war with Iran to save Israel.

Will Trump leave Biden a war? The Iran assassination, explained. (jweekly.com)

Iran of course did not act stupidly. They are very aware of psychological manipulation. However they have now passed the bill which would tell the UN Nuclear Inspectors that they will not longer be allowed into Iran and start stronger enrichment of Uranium if the European countries which signed the JCOPA do not sort it out within 2 months (earlier it said 3) so that Iran may trade in its Gas, deal properly with banks and other things which the US reneging on its word has done to Iran.

Rouhani on hearing that Biden's intent was to bring back the JCPOA provided Iran was determined to keep to it which so far it has, advised against this as this could agitate things. He felt they should first wait to see how Biden acted but they have now passed the bill as above. Israel's murder did not cause Iran to act in a way which would stop Biden being able to bring the US back into the JCPOA or give an excuse for the US to attack Iran, certainly so far, but it did give more power to the hard liners in Iran and may make it harder for Biden to get a deal. The rate at which they are intending on enriching Uranium at this time is not sufficient for nukes - it is just another step in Iran's negotiations.

With regard to the US involvement in this, as far as I am concerned what I have said above suggests that althouth it almost certainly was not the US who did the killing, they were absoutely there with Israel and would have preferred to have been actively involved or even that this killing produced a result which would have allowed them to go to war with Iran so I would say they were well in on it and it is very questionable whether Israel would have done this without the US nod of approval.

(I have read once that the US alerted Israel to his position but I kinda think Israel would not have needed that)

 

Just working for the Nazi government was no guarantee you were a Nazi. Just like being a "Party Member " in Soviet Russia was to be in something of an elite being a Nazi under the Nazis was neither automatic nor easy to my knowledge. That being said, Wehner von Braun was a member of the Nazi Party and the SS, BUT he was also arrested by the Gestapo in 1944 for "careless remarks" he made about the war and his rockets.

Von Braun was no innocent but he was also the last sort one would suspect of being a doctrinaire Nazi. He was obsessed with his rockets and with going to the Moon and he eventually got there. America helped him and he helped America, much the same arrangement he had with Germany.

 

Repeating my position: the U.S. may have played some role, but there is not sufficient reason to assume they did. Nothing you wrote alters my assessment. Why-- because of Trump statements? As if they were a reliable source of truth. Because of Trump's saber-rattling, or acting tough w/ nuclear bombers? That's just the kind of stuff he does. I'm not saying that his recklessness is proof of innocence, only that it does not convince me that he, or we, were, "there with Israel." I understand, however, if you know people who (or if you, yourself) live in the area, it would be difficult to maintain my detached attitude. However, if you will allow me to explain.

I don't think Israel needed our help to do this. Might Trump have been thinking of starting trouble, or even saw this as an interesting development, sure. But to say he must, therefore, have been in on it is like saying that if someone dies, who you wished dead, that makes you responsible. Trump may have given Netanyahu the green-light for any such operation previously, & knew nothing of this, particular strike. Even in your own post, which I highlighted in magenta, you end by saying you DO NOT think Israel would have needed the U.S.'s blessing to do this. And I agree with you! (Though, clearly, Netanyahu would have preferred to at least calculate that Trump would have his back.) In fact, not too long ago, I remember hearing Netanyahu saying that Israel would NOT take the option of a unilateral military strike off the table.

In summary, is Trump open to conflict with Iran: he was, earlier, but I think that he's seeing it as less-likely to serve his personal interest, & so is that idea is growing less appealing to him. Is Netanyahu bold enough to do this on his own. I think we both know the answer to that question. I think, in fact, that he's bold enough to try to manipulate the U.S. into fighting a war on Israel's side. But he's much more likely to succeed in that manipulation with Trump in office, than with Biden. Problem is, now, he's just about out of time. So he'll do whatever he can to sow discord.

Did the U.S. need to be involved-- no. Is there any real evidence that the U.S. was involved-- no. Were we actively involved-- probably not (with which conclusion, your post concurs). Did Trump & Netanyahu discuss this operation, or perhaps just the concept of something like this to goad Iran into a response-- maybe, but the jury's still out.

 

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It isn't to do with a 'detached' attitude which you most certainly do not have. It is to do with looking at the facts. You are excusing actions. That was not just Trump or as I said already not only Trump. If you know nothing about the US's relationship with Israel, then quite honestly you do not know enough to be talking about this.

I suppose you do not think they were involved in the murder of Soleimani either.



We disagree. I believe if people are involved they are involved. You do not. You obviously know nothing about the US involvement with Israel and would want to be able to be taken back in time before you could believe anything. Given that there is no point in taking this further. I certainly do not have the time or energy or interest to read again god knows how much to tick every t so that you can find a reason not to accept and keep me running round for ever. Not my game you are trying to get going there.

 

Well, I don't think you KNOW what I believe, or what I know, or what I want to be able to do. But what do I know? Maybe you know me, from 2 posts, better than I know myself.
Which would mean that you are certainly right about EVERYTHING regarding U.S. involvement in this strike, including our reasons: to start a war. So I guess all that's left to do is to wait, but not for long, to see it unfold, proving how RIGHT you were, & how wrong I was.

And if, in the next month, there IS no war? Well I can tell, from your post, you're not the kind of person who would be able to admit that she was wrong. Ever.

I have no false illusions. I only have the naive notion of requiring a modicum of proof before judging someone as guilty of anything. The concept of your being fallible is, apparently, not one of your, "flaws."

 

I excused nothing. You are making spurious charges. What did I excuse? If there is any truth to this allegation, quote me, excusing actions. I must point out, that hurling FALSE ALLEGATIONS at me, seriously hurts your case that you know, for sure, the exact involvement of every American official in this strike. What, do you work for Mossad?

Saying that Trump is reckless, is not excusing anything: it is stating a fact.

And I certainly have no idea what game you are referring to, or even what you are trying to say. Luckily, we know it can't be a false accusation, because you're never wrong.

Oops.

And you assume incorrectly. But, at this point, that's no big surprise.

 

Well I have no employees here so I can only defend my views
There never was a declaration of war but we still are at war, military, intl, economic...just not full scale,
No one knows for fact who did it, I think it was an Israeli action.

 

If true, I think that on some level Iran concedes that it is justifiable because Iran has been funding terrorism against Israel. Then again, Iran isn't attempting or carrying out assassinations of Israeli officials. So there is some inequity here. Could the Saudi's have carried out such a balsy affair?