NYC bar owner who defied coronavirus restrictions arrested

I am fully in support of American citizens making their own money, paying their own bills, and making their own decisions instead of allowing the government to prohibit them from doing any of the aforementioned and promising to take care of them with their own tax money.

If you haven't noticed that was sort of the one sided deal that was made between the government and the citizens in the first place with the citizens themselves having no say so in the matter. Government ordered shutdown in most of these places back during March, April, May, etc, with a promise of "help" from the government. Help came once in the form of a package with enough money to support folks for like a month at best. It's December now, 6 months later, folks are still waiting for "help" from the very government who forced them to abandon their livelihoods without their permission.

We can scrap the poetic terms and talk bluntly. That first "stimulus" check was what? 1200 bucks per person and 500 for each kid? So the average family of 4 got what 3400 bucks, once? Single person got 1200 bucks once? I got mine back in June I believe, 6 months ago, a one time check of $1200. I'm single, my bills alone are more than $1200 per month and that's not even including the rent. Thankfully for me I still have a job, but if I didn't I'm honestly trying to figure out how in the hell I would survive off of that. For all of the people out there who aren't as fortunate as I am to keep their jobs during this thing I'm genuinely asking what in the actual hell they are supposed to do? It's DECEMBER.

 

How did I give up on my former argument? The argument is pretty simple, the citizens of the US have to right to determine what's best for them, not the government. Telling citizens that they are not allowed to open up their businesses is draconian authoritarianism and I am in 100% support of any citizens who defy that and I hope to see more protests in support of business owners who defy that as we saw in this story.

Your argument is that because of COVID we should be shut down and the government should be compensating folks for not allowing them to work. The REALITY is that the former happened and the latter did not. The government shut folks down and did not compensate them and the people are still waiting for compensation. Seeing how the government has openly demonstrated that they will in fact shut you down and not compensate you for it how exactly is it a rational argument to say that should be the solution?

So answer the question that I asked, these folks are shut down and they have not been compensated by the government. That is your solution, not mine. So, in easy to understand terms, what exactly are these people supposed to do then? Keep begging? You can keep saying that's what SHOULD be happening, well that's not what actually is happening so what is your answer to these people?

 

I don't care about Republicans or Democrats, they are both the "government". Once again I ask, your solution is that the government should be compensating these folks for their businesses being shut down to save lives. The government is not compensating these folks for their businesses being shut down.

What are these people supposed to do now? Not what are Republicans supposed to do, not what are Democrats supposed to do, I'm talking about the people themselves. What are they supposed to do right now? They are out of money, or running low on money, and they have bills to pay and families to feed. What are they supposed to do?

 

They are, it's been 6+ months and it's obviously not working out well for them. At what point is it appropriate for them to try to make money to continue living? They're out of savings, the federal mortgage protection law expires in 27 days at which point their homes can be foreclosed and since they cannot legally work they have no way to make money to pay it. Are they supposed to just sit there and wait to lose their homes on New Years Eve hoping that the government will send them a check before then? The same government that hasn't done anything to help them in 6 months?

After the lose their homes would that then be the appropriate time to defy the government and try to work and earn money?

 

While this may be a controversial statement it is of my belief that the government is just flat out incompetent and inefficient. Each "side" has this mentality that if THEY just had full control then everything would be better but it's the other side that is always getting in the way. I think it doesn't matter who the hell has control of the government they always just take too long to do anything. It's a design function of our governmental system, checks and balances, but because of that whether for better or for worse, it takes FOREVER to get ANYTHING done in government. Absolutely NOTHING gets passed through Congress in a timely manner due to the way our system is designed and this is the same government that decided it would just lock down the country and then figure out what to do later knowing damn well that it takes these folks months or years to "negotiate" ANYTHING.

That's my problem with all of this, they knew this was going to happen, they knew they had no plan to figure out how to shut down the economy while simultaneously helping people and they knew that once they figured out a way to help people it would take FOREVER to "negotiate" the bill through Congress. Anybody who has even a rudimentary understanding of how our government works knew that.

And now here we are, 9 months into a "pandemic", millions of Americans without a livelihood, and the government is still "negotiating". That is why I say what I say, based on the absolutely ABYSMAL track record of our government doing ANYTHING in a timely manner they had no right to do this to the people of this country. The only option is to just let life continue on normally and whatever happens happens. Why? Because the government has proven time, and time, and time again that regardless of what the issue is they absolutely SUCK at getting it resolved in anything resembling a timely fashion and it doesn't matter which political party controls it and it doesn't even matter what level of government we are talking about.

To all those claiming that we should be relying on the government I have a legitimate question and I'm not being facetious. When has the government EVER "helped" you "fast"?