'Squad' member calls for ‘dramatic reduction’ in police in ‘poor communities’ amid crime spike

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  1. Dutch

    Dutch Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You’re braver than I thought! You’re now on record standing by representative Bowman’s position to drastically reduce police presence in black and brown communities!

    :applause:
     
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  2. Kode

    Kode Well-Known Member

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    Yup, IN CONTEXT.

    You're on record as admitting you don't have a clue about what you're arguing against.
     
  3. Dutch

    Dutch Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    My friend, I never argue with Liberals, and I have never argued with you :couple_inlove:

    And there was no hidden context in the honorable Boman’s rant.
     
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  4. Kode

    Kode Well-Known Member

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    And I'm not going to "reason" with you any further since it seems you're not up to the challenge which requires KNOWLEDGE of the concept of "Defund the Police" and you repeatedly admit to lacking that particular knowledge. Hence there is no point in further replies. Good day.
     
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  5. Junkieturtle

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    This is the kind of off-your-rocker rhetoric that is going to relegate the Democrats to a few House seats from progressive districts while the Republicans control pretty much everywhere else. And rightfully so.

    This is exactly the same kind of idiocy that Trump used when he decided that if we did less COVID testing, we'd have less positive cases.

    If we have less police arresting people, we'll have less "crime". DURR DURR DURR.
     
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    Whatever improvements are made by the dollars government injects into poor communities are wiped out instantly as the criminal element preys upon the influx. Plus, lets be real honest here Mello, the bulk of any money being send to these communities is doled out to 'organizations' that apply for grants based on promises and plans of action. But by the time these organizations are done paying for their overhead, generous salaries, political donations, lavish parties and other promotions, etc, there is very little money that actually ends up going to the community and even then its always a glad-handed network connection being paid the money to do something.
     
  7. Kode

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    Let's get real. The "plan" is to send fewer police out on calls that are clearly calls for a response to personal emotional problems in which no indication of a possible crime has been received, and instead of police, professionals trained in psychological management of psychological issues respond with a minimal police backup for emergency support.

    I agree that the call for "Defund the Police" was a very bad wording of a very good idea. Whomever first uttered it should have been more conscious of the obvious spin the right would put on it.
     
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    Oh? And after we "educate them right from wrong" -- and THAT turns out to be an abysmal failure, then what do we try?!

    I've got some ideas which would definitely work, but I'll keep them to myself for the time being.... I don't want to pull another "Steve McQueen" and get sent to the 'cooler'....

    [​IMG]
     
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    I'm all for increasing mental health and social workers to assist police, but not at the expense of police funding. At least not at first. Add the additional staff and then measure it's effect and whether the police funding is still necessary afterwards. Not before.

    But what I stated above and what you stated is unfortunately not the actual goal for some of the folks pushing the defund strategy. They are very much anti-police and they aren't being misconstrued by the "defund" label.
     
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    Personal emotional problems that are not violent are not a matter for civil authorities. That's what doctors and counsellors are for. If you think there are going to be a bunch of licensed and trained psychologists in uniform running around solving people's problems, I have no idea how you can type that paragraph with a straight face.
     
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    It’s a useless plan.
    How many times did cops kill someone when they arrived to do something like inform of a death of a relative? Probably just a few.
    Even domestic abuse situations can quickly spin out of control. How many volunteers do you think you’ll find to be willing to come to a domestic abuse scene in south Chicago, or Gary, IN totally unarmed? And if you think you can have cops sitting a block away waiting as a backup then instead of decreasing spending on law enforcement, you actually increase it because instead of sending 2 cops, you are sending 2 cops + mental health worker who is supposed to be able to handle the situation on their own.
    So, in what situations, exactly, do you think you can just eliminate cops?
     
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    So, Trump was right the social movement agenda is a mask for these governors dealing with pensions and other issues, and should've long been dealt with. The solution wasn't an anarchist violent movement, but instead voting out the governors who voted for these fat pensions without any plans for paying for it.
     
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    why would reducing police funding 100% increase crime?

    what if they reduce funding for useless or inefficient and ineffective programs?

    there are many neighborhoods in NYC that have very little crime, and yet probably have too many police. we could reduce their staffing and not effect crime rates at all.
     
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    That is exactly what it means...

    Well, that's what it meant until Democrats realized that the cities without police would be pure anarchy. Now they're doing their best to change the narrative... I've heard that saying more in the last two days than I have since the protests began.
     
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    Did you just ask why would not having police lead to an inrease in crime?
     
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    no....i did not.

    that's your very odd misunderstanding of what I asked
     
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    Odd? Well, let's break it down...

    You're asking a question... "why would" indicates to me than you're looking for an explanation for something you don't quite understand.

    Eliminating the budget, yes? 100%? As in, lay off all police officers because they won't work for rice and beans...

    There's more crime than there was before.

    Why would laying off the entire police force lead to more crime?

    If I did misunderstand your question, which part didn't I get?
     
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    Because we will replace the police with a worker's militia who will work and eat for free. :rolleyes:
     
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    That's right! And yet in the current situation WHICH YOU PREFER AND DEFEND, we have civil authorities responding to such events with police shootings resulting.
     
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    You're out of touch with the situations under discussion.
     
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    thanks for proving my point.
     
  22. Kode

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    You had none. So you're welcome.
     
  23. Dutch

    Dutch Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    BINGO! Now you see the light!

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    Yes! Those shot have been the result if their own criminal actions. Blaming anyone but the criminal is hilariously misguided.
     
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    Democrats are only pissed about minorities being shot by the police. Surely, white people being shot by the police, deserve it.
     
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