US House votes 228-164 to pass historic bill that would decriminalize cannabis

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  1. Ronstar

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    GOP says "weed is a drug, drugs bad".

    America says "but what about alcohol and tobacco??"

    GOP says "weed bad!!!! bad bad bad!!!"
     
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    I bet Moscow Mitch has NEVER had even one SIP of bourbon (being from Kentucky and all).....
     
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    In a wide-ranging interview with Yahoo News, the Kentucky Republican refused to take sides in the state's age-old bourbon brand war but did reveal he's partial to the classic Manhattan cocktail, which he called a "terrific drink."
     
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    Yeah we can (and rightfully so) poke fun at the Republicans this particular go around if this doesn't end up passing the Senate. However, this isn't strictly a Republican problem, Democrats have controlled Congress in years past and weed still isn't legal so...

    Point is, this is is a stupid law that has been on the books forever and nobody has done anything about it. The fact that this even needs a Congressional vote is in itself stupid. The argument from a legislative standpoint is pretty cut and dry.

    Is alcohol legal? Yes
    Weed is then legal.

    Is alcohol legal? No
    Alright then we can argue about weed

    Anything other than that is just flat out hypocritical and ridiculous and nobody can seriously argue otherwise and be taken seriously.
     
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    Just in case there is still anyone who hasn't heard this yet...
     
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    Congress cams!
     
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    Trump favors gun control, but he never actually did anything about it either way.
     
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    If it follows the house vote it would pass. One in 5 Republicans voted for it or abstained. You don't have to have 51 to win just the majority of votes.
     
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    You can count on Trump taking one side of the issue on day, and appearing to take the other an hour later. He will diddle and waver until the moment of decision. Then he will make the decision that causes the most confusion and chaos.
     
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    Hopefully the legislative can handle this, otherwise it will be another executive decision or order and we have had enough of those in the 2000's
     
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    Some of yall are more optimistic than I am, but I appreciate that. I do have a glimmer of hope.
     
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    Youve had enough of the executive branch doing its job, what?
     
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    That is an absolute oxymoron...
     
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    My feeling is that the ONLY reason this came up and was passed by the democrats in the House, is because they KNOW that it will fail in the senate. It is a fully political play so that they can SAY they support it, while not really being in danger of it actually passing. You see, if it actually passed, then they would be in BIG trouble with the pharmaceutical and "prison for profit" lobbies that funnel money into their coffers.

    The democrats can say "well, we tried... but the REPUBLICANS blocked it", the various lobbies get to keep the status-quo gravy train rolling and all the politicians (R and D) get to keep that lobby money rolling in.

    The only real losers are The People.
     
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    Probably, which is why I have such a problem with the government. They play checkers with the lives of the American people and at the end of the day it's always the people who lose out. While this isn't directly involving the lives or welfare of people the way a COVID stimulus is or anything the principle is the same. They do this crap with everything, they play games to try to make their political opponents look bad instead of doing anything whatsoever for the benefit of the people.

    There is not a single member of government, hell there isn't a single person period, who can argue against the legalization of weed while alcohol is legal in America and do so from a position of any sort of credibility whatsoever. But as you said it's not about making logical sense or being consistent, it's about using a subject, ANY subject, to play political checkers with each other in Washington and ensure those who line their pockets remain appeased instead of doing the actual bidding of the American people whom they serve.

    Whether it's a marijuana bill or a COVID relief bill they play the same games with it and it's the people who suffer the consequences. Why? Because lobbyists and special interests and remaining in power are the most important things to these politicians. We the People rank somewhere around number 10 on that list. Why? Because let them eat cake that's why.
     
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    Not exactly, it would just be nice if the legislative branch could get this or anything COVID related to the presidents desk for him to sign. Its better than Biden being championed for doing something (EO's on marijuana and COVID relief) that the legislative branch should/could be a part of.
     
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    That's how Congress works unfortunately, they take forever to do anything at all. It's been like 17 years I believe since Congress has had a positive approval rating and even when they miraculously get above 50% it rarely gets much higher than that and this is all regardless of which party controls it. It's just an inefficient system that takes way too long which is why the American people almost always overwhelmingly disapprove of the job they do. The problem is that when a President uses executive powers to just do something then people tend to get upset with that as well saying that's "authoritarian" like and not how the process should work in America.

    Due to pure politics, not logic nor reason, but pure politics, if either Trump or Biden just said to hell with Congress I'm issuing an EO to legalize weed then half the country would start fussing about it. It would have nothing to do with the pure idiocy of weed being illegal in the first place but rather it's an opportunity for political "enemies" to say the President is circumventing the Legislative Branch of Government whose purpose it is to negotiate this sort of thing.
     
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    Meanwhile I'm currently listening to a live podcast of some people out here trying to argue about all of the negative effects of "drugs" regarding this House vote and telling all sorts of stories about addicts and whatnot lol. Admittedly it's a Conservative podcast and it's mostly conservative folks calling in to the show giving their 2 cents.

    News flash my very well meaning friends....

    Jameson whiskey is legal, no matter how many stories you tell about addiction, no matter how many you tell about abuse or ill effects or broken households or anything else....Jameson whiskey is legal in America, your argument against weed is invalid and it doesn't matter how strongly you may personally feel about it your argument is still invalid.

    Make hard liquor illegal in America and then we can have a discussion. As long as it's legal then you literally have no argument whatsoever and I don't care how eloquently you try to present it.
     
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    most people use hard liquor in moderation, marijuana addicts are high everyday.

    drug addicts contribute nothing to society, most are on welfare.

    the few who work are incompetent at their jobs.
     
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    Is this based on personal experience? Seems like opinion without fact to back it up. I know addicts of drugs and alcohol, and know people use one or both periodically due to various circumstances.

    I can agree that "addicts" don't contribute much to society and depending on the severity of their addiction, they contribute nothing, but there are functioning addicts who work and do it well enough to retain their job.
     
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    the Evangelical Protestant base of President Trump would not take too kindly to this executive order legalising the devil's lettuce.

    when margins are razor thin drug addicts do not win in a God fearing republic.
     
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    Good to see the House do the right thing. I want to believe the Senate will follow suit, but that will mean a number of Republicans voting for it. Lets see how many really do believe in small government.
     
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    Not at all.

    Conservative fiscally, socially moderate. Libertarian.
     
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    So you think the bill will go up in smoke?
     
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    so nothing from Trump on this yet? he is missing the opportunity to pass a historic bill, what an idiot
     
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