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I don't think it is anything to do with Israel recognising it. The bribe was if Morocco agreed to 'normalise' its relationship with Israel, Trump would organise for the US to recognise that disputed territory as belonging to Morocco.

 

As well it should. It's got Mossad written all over it.

 

Ok. Let me rephrase the question: Why should Morocco care what the U.S. thinks about the Western Sahara? Does Morocco expect U.S. opinion will have any effect on it?

 

I think that is just a poor headline. They seem to be wanting US support. If you read the article that, not Israel's support is what they want. That is why I questioned whether this could lead to the US being involved in another war in ther area. Israel wants this to try and have the Palestinians with no support so that she can dispose of them as she wishes. Of course Iran will complain about it. That of course is why the preference is the destruction of Iran as well.

 

I think they do. The US has been acting as World Dictator. I am guessing that is what Morocco is relying on. It can get rid of these other people and if they dare to resist, call on the US to deal with it.

 

I can agree with all of that and it is an interesting note you make about what Morocco might be relying on. Flattering a bully can sometimes come in handy.

 

It's funny how pro Palestinian Islamo Jihado Arabos are against the peace agreements between Arab countries and Israel.. Don't you think ?

 

none of these Arab states are democracies.

all dictatorships.

next Israel will become friends with North Korea.

 

Oh, no. The Kim's learned a very long time ago that owning "the bomb" elevates your nation and frees you from any ass-kissing obligations. North Korea bargains on its own terms.

 

BEFORE the Arabs came in?!!!
Really???
So the Jews were encouraging the Arabs of seven nations to attack them???

And I thought having Jews and Arabs live together was in Jewish interests (but not strategic areas
obviously) as it would show the partition and the two states was working. Arabs wanted to show it
was not working. That is why the Mufti of Jerusalem called upon ALL Arabs to leave and not live for
one minute under 'occupation.' This 'occupation' happened after the Arabs, in their ethnic cleaning,
antisemitic quest, were beaten.

 

Many were driven out in AD70 with the fall of the temple. The second wave were a part of
the so-called Kittos war and the third and final was the Bar Kochbar revolt, about AD135.
After that maybe a few hundred Jews were left in Israel.

 

If you are going to make wild claims please provide a source.

 

Yes. Your knowledge of this appears to be just your imagination.

again your imagination. As I have said earlier the 'Jewish State' had almost as many Arabs as Zionist Jews. Many of the Indiginous Jews were loyal to their people including fighting with them in the Palestinian Revolt. I can remember when I was in Israel asking why Palestinians were in the Israeli army. I was told they were Jews who had never left Palestine. It would be silly to think they all went with the Zionists. Israel wanted a 'Jewish' State. Although Truman, against the warnings and position of the State Department, was the first to recognise Israel, he refused to recognise it as a 'Jewish' State. That was not however how the Zionists intended things. They wanted a 'Jewish' State and so they immidiately got to work on Plan Delat. They also wanted a bigger state. To imagine as you do that the reason Israel did this was to encourage the arab armies to attack them is bizzare.

That of course would depend on the desired outcome of the Zionist Jews. British Archives show that the Zionists in charge were the extreme. They wanted a 'Jewish' State. Clearly a Jewish State would not be a state with arabs in it. There were however Jews who saw it differently, wanting one state and for some even a State which identified with the Middle East rather than the West. I have already mentioned that in Haifa, and I think it was Haifa, Jews and Arabs lived together well and that clearly the Jews did not want the Palestinians ethnically cleansed or harmed in any way. Others have written about the brutality of the Zionist Jews towards the indiginous people of Haifa but if my memory serves me well these were not the people of Haifa themselves but Zionists from outside who came in. Would need to find and read again but I think that is the gist of it. Jews who would have been happy living with Arabs according to the British Archives were called 'traitors'. There was a particular word for it but I have forgotten it. The Zionists in charge wanted a Jewish state and clearly that was unlikely in a State with almost as many non Jews. That was the motivation. They also wanted a bigger state. The British did not think they should take all of Palestinian so they went to war with Jordan to take the parts Jordan took after agreements with Golda Meir that Jordan could do this 'for the time being'. They did not intend on taking Jerusalem as that was to be International but on finding that the Zionists were fighting for that having taken over West Jerusalem which I think was two thirds Indiginous people they decided to take East Jerusalem.. There is a paper somewhere where Ben Guiron said he something along the lines he would never have done this had he not been sure from the beginning that they would win a war with the Arabs.

The rest is again just your imagination created it would seem by your bias and what you want the situation to have been possibly to make your conscience feel better. I have a strong suspicion you have not read anything on this.

 

Always loved the hypocrisy of Zionists. The Jews fled their homes 2000 years ago because of wars and revolts, they have the right to return. The Palestinians fled their homes because of war and revolt 70 years ago, they have no right of return because ummmm!

 

Response To Common Inaccuracy: Palestinians Have Right of Return (adl.org)

Israel maintains that it is not responsible for the Palestinian refugee problem since it is the result of a war
forced on Israel by invading Arab armies. However,Israel has stated that on humanitarian grounds it would
participate in an international effort to resolve the situation. Such an effort would likely involve Palestinian
refugees settling in a newly established state of Palestine, an international compensation fund, and individual
cases of family reunification. Any international effort would also need to consider the situation of the 800,000
Jews who were either expelled from their native Arab nations or forced to flee as a result of state-sponsored
anti-Jewish violence following the founding of the State of Israel.

 

Oh... the main source for the main conflict in AD70 was Josephus Flavius, I think his book
was called simply 'War of the Jews'
I haven't read much on the Kittos and Bar Kochbar stuff - there's tons on Google.

 

Yes you are giving an excellent example of the hypocrisy, 2000 years welcome home, 70 years, still got the keys to your front door?, still got the deeds to your house?, yes but errr, ummm, your not a Jew! Hypocrisy and racism at its finest!

 

Please site one historian who claims the Jews were exiled from Israel in the 1st or 2nd century, you cannot because it is a myth as any Rabbi will tell you. The only place they were exiled from was Jerusalem and that was by the mostly by Christians. Please read history and stop reciting myth.


Erich S. Gruen maintains that focusing on the destruction of the Temple misses the point that already before this, the diaspora was well established. Compulsory dislocation of people cannot explain more than a fraction of the eventual diaspora.[76] Avrum Ehrlich also states that already well before the destruction of the Temple in 70 CE, more Jews lived in the Diaspora than in Israel.[77] Jonathan Adelman estimated that around 60% of Jews lived in the diaspora during the Second Temple period.[78] According to Gruen:

Perhaps three to five million Jews dwelled outside Palestine in the roughly four centuries that stretched from Alexander to Titus. The era of the Second Temple brought the issue into sharp focus, inescapably so. The Temple still stood, a reminder of the hallowed past, and, through most of the era, a Jewish regime existed in Palestine. Yet the Jews of the diaspora, from Italy to Iran, far outnumbered those in the homeland. Although Jerusalem loomed large in their self-perception as a nation, few of them had seen it, and few were likely to
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_diaspora

 

Sure, and that's interesting, thanks. The first revolt led to the slave markets of the Roman Empire being
flooded with Jewish slaves. Not sure about the Kittos one (and here it was the Jews who were quite brutal)
but the Bar Kochbar was the end of Israel for 2,000 years.

 

If it will reduce anger and violence in our world, then it's fine.

 

OMG. You're trying to tell us that Israel is concerned about "reducing anger and violence in the world"? Yeah sure, and I suppose Mossad is dedicated to the appreciation of horticulture.

 

Looks like Trump's meddling in disputes, bribing people so that they will create 'normalisation' with Israel so that Israel can do her final on the Palestinians will not only harm them but will also as I suspected probably result in violence and death in the Saharra too. Nothing matters though, no one's life matters if it is not what Trump and Netanyhu want. As you will see Africa was sorting this out with Morocco, coming on heavy with them to get out of this area. In comes Imperialism again giving to those who already have.

Morocco-Israel normalisation is a slap in the face of the African Union – Middle East Monitor

So definately not a step for 'Peace' as some have been pretending. Very definately a step to more cruelty towards the Palestinians and to the people of the Western Sahara. There is nothing decent in this.

 

As Ronstar pointed out these are Dictators. Moroccan people are making their position known.

Israel-Morocco normalisation deal condemned online | Middle East Eye

 

Seems the bribe to Morocco for 'normalising' relations with Israel was even bigger with a nasty kick in the tail for the people of Western Sarah.

Israel normalisation: What Morocco gets in return | Middle East Eye


This was done knowing there would be opposition from the people of Morocco. It would though have an enormous bonus for Israelis of Morrocon descent as they would be able to go more easily back and forth to Morocco. AlJazeera was talking about this last night and how they had always stayed in touch. It would make this much easier for them and of course for Netanyahu with yet another election looming is expected to get a big boost - especially from Moroccon Israelis I would think

but it goes even further and here we get to the bit where the US looks like it may well cause violence due to its inability to see past what this President wants for immidiate gratification. We also find out why Morocco wants the Western Saraha. It is a former Spanish Colony which was claimed by Morocco in 57. It is believed to have significant oil and mineral resources. Morocco may have claimed it as her own in 57 but the people living there did not accept her control. That is where the human part comes in. They were fighting for their right for Independence from 1975-91. I think it was in 91 that the UN managed to get an Agreement on a Referendum on Independence but it still has not happened. The AU though has been working hard for the people of the Western Saraha, part of that being Morocco being suspended from the AU over this and asked to leave the territory alone so that its people can have self determination. This year seems to be a crucial year for that. The AU had apparently set itself 2020 as its deadline to get the guns silenced there and independence for the indiginous people. It looks like the Trump team has been finding what will be the thing to best bribe to get Morocco to agree to 'noralisation' with Israel A good day for Trump and Netanyahu but a very bad day for peace in the region and the people of the Western Sahara. Morocco is claiming the US will be putting a Consulate there.

This Moroccon deal really deserved its own thread. Just like with the Palestinians there is no thought for the people, no ability to see them as human beings with needs and rights - that simply does not enter the consciousness of Imperial minds. They are just clutter to be destroyed in order to get their wants.

 

Every now and then the EU likes to get its voice heard complaining about what Israel is up to and that it makes a two state solution impossible but this has no clout and they become more and more involved on every level with Israel hence supporting everything Israel does and no compassion for the Palestinians. As they are one of the 4 who were supposed to get an honourable conclusion to this situation, they can be seen to be pretty much as biased as the US.

Today is a day they have decided to complain about the attempt to make East Jerusalem Palestine free. I read recently that the Supreme Court which used to be the one place where Palestinians could get some justice, no longer is that. This is not surprising as the Israeli Government some years ago started working to make it so. The court should not be a higher voice than the Government they said, which might be true unless of course you are a democracy and it is one of the checks and balances.

Anyway to the EU's murmering

EU calls for Israel to revise eviction orders against Palestinians in Jerusalem – Middle East Monitor

They then moan about this taking away the possibility of a two state solution, pretending that such a thing is still possible. I am not sure why the EU does this when it never makes Israel change anything.

When I was checking things on this I discovered something else. Palestinians have been being traitors and helping Israel in her wrongdoings believing it would appear that this would get them the security of a residency permit.

Out of 4284 Palestinians who asked for residency permits, only...wait for it...11 were given and they were given without them being allowed health insurance and most importantly a work permit so I imagine they will soon be deported for either working without a permit or being a thief as they will have no other way of staying alive.

Thousands of Palestinian 'collaborators' asked Israel for refuge. Less than one percent got it - Israel News - Haaretz.com