17 GOP AG's and 106 GOP representatives supported an attempted coup.

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  1. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    They wanted their man to be installed as president by overturning the results of an election Billy the Bagman has declared to be fair and without any significant evidence of fraud.

    As much as we have been desensitized to outrageous acts during a admin when they occur virtually every day, this one should not be lost in the chaotic 24 hour news cycle.

    Without evidence or standing these Repubs pursued a lawsuit that is antithetical to what is at the core of our democracy, respect for the will of the voters.

    Steve Schmidt got it right.

    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...ht-of-democracy.582364/page-2#post-1072288364
     
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    There were a number of sworn statements. Those are significant evidence.
     
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    That's what Trump lawyers keep saying on the court house steps - but as soon as they get inside, their case falls apart. Curious, isn't it.
     
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    I hope history remembers them as what they are: Cowards who were too afraid to stand up to Trump and his supporters, so they accepted the possibility of destruction of democracy for the sole purpose of staying in power. Pathetic...
     
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    Those sworn statements are either true or false. If they are false, they can be prosecuted. Strange that no one has been prosecuted. Curious, isn't it?
     
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    The people involved in this will be remembered for trying to turn Trump into a tinpot dictator, and doing an astonishingly bad job of it.

    They should be tried for sedition.
     
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  7. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Pardon my typo. It was 126 GOP reps.

    Rep. Bill Pascrell (D-N.J.) has called on House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) to bar 126 GOP representatives from the House, arguing that their support for the failed, baseless Texas lawsuit seeking to hijack the presidential election violated the Constitution.

    The Texas suit, supported by 17 other state attorneys general, was rejected Friday by the U.S. Supreme Court. President Donald Trump had attempted to join the self-serving suit, which sought to jettison votes in Georgia, Pennsylvania, Michigan and Wisconsin, whose voters chose President-elect Joe Biden.

    Pascrell accused the House members who signed an amicus brief supporting the action — including House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.) — of violating the Constitution by seeking to nullify Americans’ votes and instead choose a “dictator.” He cited Section 3 of the 14th Amendment, enacted after the Civil War and designed to keep traitors out of government.
    https://www.huffpost.com/entry/bill...tors-texas-lawsuit_n_5fd4062cc5b690d5d30408eb
     
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    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The willingness of so many Repubs to turn their back on the Constitution and the country in order to keep their congressional seat makes them the party of deplorables.
     
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    I did not realize that legally using the government was sedition. You will have to explain that one to me.
     
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    How was that turning their back on the Constitution?

    I don't agree with what they did, but it was not against the law or the Constitution.
     
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    A country where the state determines the leader, and not the voters, is authoritarian at best, a dictatorship at worst. We would have gotten the worst.
     
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    Despicable.
     
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    These GOP congressmen would wipe their behind with the constitution, if it would help Trump and them to stay in power and overthrow the will of the people.
     
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    Not really. These phony Trump sycophants are not saying the same thing publicly as they're saying in the courtroom. Example:

    The Pennsylvania Supreme Court ruled that the elections board in Philadelphia, the state’s largest city, acted reasonably in keeping Trump campaign observers behind barricades and 15 feet (4.5 meters) away from counting tables, rejecting an appeal from Trump’s campaign.

    During the federal court hearing, Giuliani, a former New York City mayor and senior federal prosecutor who has not been a courtroom regular for decades, told Brann there was “widespread, nationwide voter fraud” in the Nov. 3 election, but provided no evidence to back up that claim.


    https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/11/17/giuliani-claims-voter-fraud-in-longshot-pennsylvania-case/

    Under questioning from a federal judge in Pennsylvania on Tuesday, Mr. Giuliani made a different admission: “This is not a fraud case,” he said.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/18/us/politics/trump-giuliani-voter-fraud.html

    They can say anything they want publicly and privately and they are protected by the First Amendment. If they make false statements in a courtroom they are subject to sanctions or charges of perjury.
     
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    They challenged the results using a legal means set out by the Constitution. Like I have said, I do not agree with what they did, but it was legal.
     
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    Regrettably, it has come to be expected of GOP leadership, and indeed virtually all elected legislators at the federal level. A PR stunt that has no real significance to pretend to their base that they have their back on this issue, while punting the actual responsibility for handling the issue to another branch of government. AG's and legislators knew this was DOA, but backed it anyways because it would play well in front of their base.

    Hey, I just want the prestige of being a legislator, not the actual responsibilities of making decisions and having to live with them! We have presidents to decide important things like wars, and the judiciary to decide contentious issues like abortion rights. I will continue doing whatever is safe for my continued political survival and punt anything that might have a shred of responsibility or contention to go with it to the executive, judicial, or hide behind the shield of states rights when convenient to do so.

    Despite its limitations of being an ultimate argument from authority, at least the fact that the SCOTUS is a seating for life means the individual members are not beholden to any further political ambitions. They have reached their peak prestige, and are free to actually judge things based on what they actually believe, not based on what will best serve their own interests in future political ambitions. That is fortunate, and one big thing that would be lost by amending the constitution to impose term limits.
     
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    If they make a false statement under oath, they can be prosecuted.
     
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    Isn't that what I just said?
     
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    You don't have to carry out an action for it to be criminal. The intent can be enough.

    This went far beyond intent.
     
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    It’s like he didn’t even bother to read your post. And he wonders why I don’t bother with him anymore.
     
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    Yes - technically pressuring legislatures and governors is not illegal either. The ethics are bad though
     
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    Isn't it incredible that these people still think they have evidence? Affidavits are not evidence.

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    Rep. Bill Pascrell (D-N.J.) has called on House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) to bar 126 GOP representatives from the House, arguing that their support for the failed, baseless Texas lawsuit seeking to hijack the presidential election violated the Constitution.

    The Texas suit, supported by 17 other state attorneys general, was rejected Friday by the U.S. Supreme Court. President Donald Trump had attempted to join the self-serving suit, which sought to jettison votes in Georgia, Pennsylvania, Michigan and Wisconsin, whose voters chose President-elect Joe Biden.

    Pascrell accused the House members who signed an amicus brief supporting the action — including House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.) — of violating the Constitution by seeking to nullify Americans’ votes and instead choose a “dictator.” He cited Section 3 of the 14th Amendment, enacted after the Civil War and designed to keep traitors out of government.

    The section prohibits anyone who had gone to war against the union or given aid and comfort to the nation’s enemies from running for federal or state office.

    The Pennsylvania brief responding to the Texas lawsuit referred to its “seditious abuse of the judicial process.”

    Pascrell said in a tweet accompanied by a statement on Friday: “Today I’m calling on House leaders to refuse to seat any Members trying to overturn the election and make Donald Trump an unelected dictator.”

    The “text of the 14th Amendment expressly forbids Members of Congress from engaging in rebellion against the United States,” he tweeted. “Trying to overturn a democratic election and install a dictator seems like a pretty clear example of that.”


    https://www.yahoo.com/huffpost/bill-pascrell-house-lawmaker-traitors-texas-lawsuit-023004107.html
     
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    You do not respond to me directly me because I reported you for repeated insults after repeated warnings. In addition, you do "bother with me". You just do it through other posters.
     

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