US bombers fly over the Gulf amid tensions with Iran

Or just as likely, blow up a bus or restaurant packed with Jews.
And then the only difference between the two nations is that the
Jews target the engineers and assassins, the Iranians target the
civilians who probably don't even know what's going on.

 

Wonder why Iranians and Greeks would like each other. Don't they know their histories?

 

Yeah, they could shoot down another plane filled with innocent civilians.

 

Yes I believe they will retaliate... for both the scientist and Soleimani...he was unique...when and how...?...could be years, you know what they say about revenge being a dish best served cold

 

Do you think that was deliberate?
If a bomb is planted on a plane, like Libya did, that's deliberate.
But if a plane is shot down over the Ukraine, itself a battle field
then is that 'deliberate'?
Don't draw conclusions from ambiguous and complicated
situations. Let's stick to what we know.

 

Not deliberate.

Blithering incompetence.

 

Very provocative. Not like we are flying drones and planes all around their country or anything.

Just imagine for a moment if Iran was flying all over the gulf of Mexico.

 

They would've done terroristic violence even if we didn't drop a woodchipper on their dumb General Salami.

They'd do terrorism regardless, because they're terrorists and terrorists do terrorism.

 

Liechtenstein is the Mouse, they even have a movie about it (sorta).

I honestly think that the American defense contractors and the Iranians/N Koreans/etc all work together on this. They all call each other to make some sort of saber-rattling thing every time it looks like there might actually be some opposition to there "spending" another trillion or so on some weapon that probably doesn't even exist let alone work and thus sending all their daughters to the Sorbonne for another year of studying Medieval basket-weaving techniques. I often wonder why we don't just openly support really prestigious and old but still utterly useless foreign Universities directly and just give a billion or so to little Tiffany and Andre so they can buy a Vereon and tool around the Cote'd'Azur too. We'd still save a lot by avoiding the Middle Man, usually Boeing or Lockheed-Martins who charge heavily for our throwing money at them

 

You don't have to be in the Straight to destroy their coastal installation. This would criple what is left of the iranian economy.

Cruise missile, as you said would do the job. Iran can retaliate locally but is in no way capable to reach the USA. This would be tragic for the Saudi, UAE and Israel, but the USA is in no danger from the Iranian military. Remember, the USA doesn't depends on ME oil production anymore. It would mess the european new year, but it's Trump we're talking about here, he doesn't care about anybody else but him and his best buddy put-put-putin...

 

Trump considers those who get killed as loser. He won't bat an eye if some nobody get killed.

 

Sure, like the Irish Potato famine. But incompetence isn't malice.
The assassination of the nuclear engineer in Iran and the bomb
maker 'engineer' Ayyash in Gaza was pure malice. But even here
the 'malice' was different as their enemies target them directly, and
didn't seek to inflict harm on other people.
Google the 'ninja bomb'

 

Trump is an outlier, as they say. Hopefully we won't see another Trump in America again.
Unfortunately there's plenty of Trumps in other countries.

 

He's talking about the plane that was shot down in Iran the night they retaliated for the killing of their general. It was recently ruled a mistake by an incompetant officer in charge of a surface to air missile battery who thought the jet that just took off was an american jet coming to bomb them. Many Canadians were on that flight...

 

Except for third world countries, I don't think you can find another Trump anywhere else. We get only a couple of political morons per century and we already had a few since the 21st started...

 

There are a few who THINK like Trump but won't allow their media to
display their behavior. Think of Xi and Putin for starters - both of them
a lot deadlier but no less dictatorial. Chinese are incensed at allegations
they started the Coronva pandemic - they aren't told the truth about their
govt's duplicity, by way of example.

 

Agree in general that the US is in no danger of some traditional military attack by Iran - Iran does not have the ability to project power on a large scale out that far.

but - as you say - all its neighbors are in danger .. and for this reason - similar to North Korea - we would not attack.

Back to the initial question however .. Iran can do a whole lot of damage to the US - Iran is a Nation state. Do not confuse this with a rag tag band of Islamic Jihadists with AK 47s.

Iran can fk the US up - in the homeland in ways that would make 911 seem like a gnat on an elephants backside.

In addition to attacking the homeland - they can easily close the straights - and sink US vessels left right and center.

You say - we will hit them with cruise missiles ... Iran can hit us with cruise missiles as well - in the homeland - but rather than targeting military installations .. target other soft targets .. refineries .. power plants - nuclear power plants - hydroelectric ..

Right now our carrier is running away -
US to move aircraft carrier out of Mideast amid Iran tension
https://apnews.com/article/iran-per...nited-states-7e42566a1982a61754fecd73d7d1c8dc

and good thing too - as Iran can sink one of carriers at will - and wouldn't that make a statement to the world .. bringing this big elephant in the room out of the closet.

 

Agreed - provocation is being met with provocation.

 

That was an accident - one which did not serve Iran's interests - but yes .. that is definitely an option - this time though .. a Plane filled with US citizens .. or say 30 of them in one day .. in various parts of the US.

but - Iran has much better ways to retaliate if it is going to go after innocent civilians .. but lets leave that aside as Iran will not likely go there - not as a first step in any case .. escalate things long enough and perhaps . but not initially.

A more proportional action would be for Iran to take out a US aircraft carrier - which is why we are getting our carriers out of harms way.
US to move aircraft carrier out of Mideast amid Iran tension
https://apnews.com/article/iran-per...nited-states-7e42566a1982a61754fecd73d7d1c8dc

Not that Iran using Chemical Weapons against US citizens would not be proportional - as we did that to Iran a few decades ago - but - that is in the past .. I am talking a more recent proportionality.

 

Most of the civilians in the Ukrainian plane were Iranians going back to Canada. So no, I don't believe it was deliberate on the part of the Iranians. Was it a false flag attempt by others to misdirect the fire so the plane would be shot down, possibly? That happened in Syria when an Israeli plane tried to hide behind a Russian one, and it was shot down by the Syrians. That's when Vladimir Putin gave Assad the S-300's.

It also happened in Ukraine, when they mistook the Malaysian plane for numero uno. Same size, same color. Putin was returning from Brazil, and the plane left the Warsaw airport 2 hours before. The direction to the military airfield at Rostov would have taken him over Ukraine, and air control told the pilot of the passenger plane to fly at a low attitude even though it was a war zone.

Since they didn't manage to assassinate Vladimir Putin, they did the next best thing. They blamed him for the deaths of the passengers they killed. Oh well, what else is knew?




Here's to them all!

 

Do you also casually dismiss the 75 million AMERICANS that elected Trump? If the Marxist Left manages to complete this theft, do you really believe the rest of us are just going to shut up, sit down and be docile? REALLY?

 

That carrier has been on station for about 10 months. Interesting how you assume some form of cowardice being the cause for moving it. The Mullocracy will do NOTHING while Trump is in office because first, they KNOW he'll beat them down if they do and second, they know slow Joe is going to pick up where O'Barry left off. The very LAST move they'd make would be to give Trump a reason to team with the IDF and totally crush their nuclear installations and any massed IRGC elements.

 

I knew the low altitude was wrong!!!

 

I have no issue with what you say. I suspect that Trump didn't really win the last
election - Hillary lost.
I relate what I might have read in the WSJ, that some women, cognizant of what
Trump might do to them if he got a chance, would vote for him because they fear
the Democrats more. And the Democrats at this time were talking of 'defunding'
the police and letting cities burn.

 

I said nothing about cowardice - you are confused. There is nothing brave about leaving a carrier group in harms way.

The article I posted from AP said this - which is as close I can find to "Cowardice" - and it does not say this - and I certainly didn't say that.

Trump does not need a reason to team with the IDF - Is Iran building nuclear weapons not reason enough ?

Iran lobbed a bunch of ballistic missiles at one of our bases recently - was that not a reason enough ?