As rioters stormed the Capitol, Trump was reportedly telling people he was glad Perdue and Loeffler

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  1. stone6

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    He was also reportedly trying to reach pro-Trump Senators locked down at the Capitol to tell them to call off the counting of the state certifications of the election.
     
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    How do we know that? Blacks have high rates of violent crime everywhere in the world that they live.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

    Two genes linked with violent crime
    By Melissa Hogenboom
    Science reporter, BBC News, October 28, 2014

    A genetic analysis of almost 900 offenders in Finland has revealed two genes associated with violent crime.

    Those with the genes were 13 times more likely to have a history of repeated violent behaviour.

    The authors of the study, published in the journal Molecular Psychiatry, said at least 5-10% of all violent crime in Finland could be attributed to individuals with these genotypes.
    https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-29760212

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    The word "gene" is often used when "allele" is appropriate. Properly speaking a gene is a location on a chromosome that can contain one of several alleles.

    Alleles vary by race. A reasonable hypothesis is that these two alleles are more often found in individuals of some races than other races. It would be easy to test this hypothesis. Nevertheless, there are effective taboos and sanctions against doing so. I advocate much more research in this area. I suspect that many more alleles will be discovered that influence criminal behavior, and that they will vary by race.

    Liberals justly condemn the anti science proclivities of conservatives in areas like global warming. Nevertheless, liberals are squeamish about scientific inquiries into the relationships between alleles, intelligence, crime, and race. Moreover, while conservatives to not punish those who maintain that global warming is real and a serious problem, many liberals do punish those who find scientific evidence of genetic links between alleles, intelligence, crime, and race.
     
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    Presuming your explanation of the Finish study is correct...that still leaves 90-95% of violent crimes in Finland caused by those without the "crime genes." I recognize, however, a link between crime and mental illness and consequently trace much of the violence of today with Reagan's decision to cut federal funding to the States to subsidize State Mental Institutions and depend more on new drug therapy. Obviously, a lot of these people were off their meds...e.g. the guy with the horns on his head.
     
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    Unfortunately those jobs do not exist. The jobs that are being created by our economy require increasing levels of intelligence.
     
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    This is only the beginning. I am confident that as time goes on more genes that determine intelligence and influence criminal behavior, and even sexual behavior, will be discovered. The Chinese lack our squeamishness about this matter. If research continues to be sanctioned against in the West, it will move forward in the East. Orientals have no reason to fear the results of the research. They have average IQ's of 106. They have low crime rates everywhere in the world that they live, even when they are poor.
     
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    They can be made to exist, but not under capitalism as we've known it, which is based on products at the least cost and best quality. If "labor" is simply another factor of production, the producer with the least labor cost has a market share advantage - all else being equal. That was an essential part of "opening China" (low cost labor and, over the long run, market expansion). Domestically, you're right on the impact of technology. We failed to realize that rather than raise labor costs to sustain a growing consumer economy, the Chinese devoted their trade surpluses to infrastructure by which to build their own technology based economy.
     
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    Presumably, they also have considerably less individual freedom. Multiple party systems within a culture of a democracy create checks and balances. We DO need some serious reform, but that's far short of revolution.
     
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    I supported the civil rights movement as a child, a teenager, and a young adult. Since then I have become disappointed with the black response to the opportunities that have been opened to them.
     
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    There's little doubt acquiring marketable skills will prove difficult for some people, especially those who had a poor childhood education.

    I taught computers to adults who in most cases were trying to upgrade work skills. Your point is well taken.
     
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    We can create unnecessary make work jobs for them. This will be a form of welfare: those with the intelligence to be useful will be taxed to support those without the requisite intelligence. I do not believe that intelligent people will remain eternally willing to pay taxes to support those people.
     
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    Keep in mind we're all products of our environment. I put a lot of the blame on our schools. That an disintegrating family life.
     
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    "Intelligent people" accepted taxation, social security, Medicare & Medicaid, etc., etc. We already live in a welfare state, which is partial socialism. I have no problem with that...but it seems that there are at least a few tens of millions of voters who do.
     
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    We're on the cusp of a huge problem with computers replacing people on the job. AI, quantum computing, and super high-speed wireless are about to supplant tens of millions of workers. What will we do with people who are no longer needed by the economy?
     
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    How is it socialism? We aren't collectivizing production.
     
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    I'm just curious... do you base this statement on personal knowledge of a cross-section of his supporters or is your source a media outlet? I ask because I supported him in 2016 because I feared what a Clinton administration would do. I voted for a real conservative in our primary but I knew Ted Cruz wasn't going to have a chance at the national level.
    I try to take others seriously when they express their opinions but I've seen these kinds of statements often and frankly, they're not only in error, they're a backhanded insult, a form of dehumanizing that has always been dangerous through history and we are approaching another one of those "inflection points".
    The sycophants you describe, do exist but when Sages from the enlightened Left hold forth against all Trump supporters as though we are lock-step lackeys, you lose credibility and insult and inflame, and neighbor... if we don't stop insulting and begin talking again soon, this nation is going to burn and it will be on all of us.
     
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    Citation, source?
     
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    Depends on your definition of socialism.
     
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    Once you understand that you have fallen for Con, would be dictator and Cult leader and his never ending lies than we might be able to talk.
    Once you understand that on the 6th, his son and his lawyer and himself incited this failed coup, than we can talk.

    It is the Cult followers who want to burn down this Nation, to enforce their will over a democratic Republic, following their leader lies.
    They say they will be back.
     
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    Yeah, we know the feeling. We dared hope the same thing all summer while watching a bunch of righteously outraged Democrat voters burn down neighborhoods, attack innocent bystanders and assault Federal buildings. We never saw anyone do anything to them. In fact, the wise leaders of Portland and Seattle refused to even hold them after their own cops arrested them. That instinct we seem to share about "stomping on heads", it's coming, just be patient. If anyone other than supporters of the Left decides to get in the streets and become violent, I can predict with 100% accuracy that the propaganda arm of your party (the media) will wail, gnash teeth, and howl about how America is under assault by right-wing thugs or supremacists or some other bull crap.
    You, good folks, will denounce and demand arrests or worse and tensions will continue to heat up. We all know where this is headed, we just don't yet know how far the Marxists will be willing to go, or how soon. I think before this is over, most of us are going to really, really regret allowing it to happen.
    BTW, those "terrorist clowns"? set no fires. Brutalized no innocent bystanders and didn't aim commercial-grade explosives at cops. In return, a Capitol rent a cop shot a woman dead for daring to trespass. She wasn't armed and those around her weren't armed. If that
    "cop" walks with nothing more than a reprimand or loss of his job, I sincerely hope Karma crushes his ass and soon.
    You folks don't impress me as being ignorant. In fact, you seem of above-average intelligence and that leaves me with the feeling that you understand where all of this is probably headed and yet you're still cheering on your team.
     
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    Doesn’t matter

    Break and enter is still break and enter. Just because the crim that breaks into your house is a happy little Chappy does not make them innocent
     
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    Whataboutism!
     
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    Never seen racially motivated riots in america before the summer? Where did you say you live again?
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    so you engage in a false equivalency to justify the seditious riot and acts of terrorism that occurred at the behest of Trump and his cronies.
    Which is to be expected I guess, since its a necessary foundation of the intellectual construct that is trumpism and of course, all grievance politics.

    It appears you are completely unaware of federal law. Good thing your Dear Leaders isn't.
    https://www.whitehouse.gov/presiden...s-statues-combating-recent-criminal-violence/

    this was an attempt to disrupt the business of Congress. An Attempt to pervert the constitutional process of the orderly transfer of power from one administration to the other. I think the full weight of the law to come down hard on all those that came with intent, and that includes the unfortunate dupe who was shot in the neck. She was there enraged by BULLSHIT, utter complete butt sore loser BULLSHIT coming from trump and his toadies.

    Now you appear an intelligent guy, perhaps you should examine the Kraken crap, the outrageous legal incompetence 62 Losses in a row, the acceptance of votes in all the non battlefield states and even the down ticket elections in those, I could go on and on at the utterly stupifying gullibility of trumpists, but there just isn't any point.
     
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    We are going to have to d something with these MAGA. We can't have them running around loose any longer. They pose a serious threat to every man woman and child in America. I no longer think that they are gullible. That would be letting them off far too easy. I think they are every bit as evil as any 1930's fervent Nazi. They would make great death camp guards but they make lousy fellow Americans.
     
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    There's only one for socialism (not "democratic socialism")--collectivizing production.
     
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    When I was just a young pup, growing up in the 60s and 70s, this statement was understood to be a thing we called "opinion". If the opinion was one people wanted to share and to spread as a belief there were reasonable standards of proof that were needed.
    Donald Trump has been a huckster, a showman, an entrepreneur and has become very wealthy doing these things. They aren't his greatest achievement though. No, that would be that he managed to do this even though he failed miserably many times along the way.
    Those who hate the man say it's proof he's just a loser, a grifter, and so on. They are welcome to their opinions. From my perspective, his greatest achievement came from refusing to give up, ever.

    Mia, I am guessing that you aren't a Psychiatrist or even a Psychologist so if you have a source qualified to make the assessment that he's deranged, I'd really like to see it. If it happens to be an MD who has years of experience and they make the diagnosis then I'd like to know when they EVALUATED HIM as a patient. Real professionals in that field know they are ethically forbidden to give a "diagnosis" unless they actually evaluate the patient themselves.

    Those angry folks in America who support the Democrat Party and their plans for our country would do well (IMO) to try to exercise a bit of empathy for the half or more of the rest of Americans that disagree with the safety or even sanity of some of those goals. I'm 60, been fiscally Conservative and Socially Libertarian for most of my life. I voted the first time in 1980. I have watched politics for 40 years and I see divisions today that, if not moderated with some patience and willingness to compromise, are going to destroy this nation. We have gone from respecting law and desiring a peaceful existence to literal battle lines forming in cities and states.

    Trump was an answer for those who wanted to give the middle-finger salute to DC and the Democrat plans. The repeated refrain of "Trumpets" being mentally challenged, racist, xenophobic,(insert epithet here) made for witty commentary but it wasn't any more accurate than when Republicans referred to all Democrats as "A,B, or C".
    If Biden allows - or has no power to stop - excesses by the hard Left in the coming months then our nation is going to be at risk of coming apart at the seams. Specifically, if the Filibuster is removed and all legislation can be forced through on a bare majority vote, if the Senate expedites statehood for DC, PR and possibly Guam, and finally and MOST egregious, the SCOTUS is reconfigured with a number that ensures domination of decisions by the Left, then the rest of America will have hard choices to make. Those on the Left who are advocating these changes need to explain why they think half of America is going to be cowed, threatened, or prevented from fighting back. I'd really like to hear their reasoning because that is nothing short of a tyrannical mindset.
    Finally, since the chaos and violence that is likely inbound isn't going to benefit ANY AMERICAN, who, exactly, will benefit?
     

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