As rioters stormed the Capitol, Trump was reportedly telling people he was glad Perdue and Loeffler

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  1. stone6

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    Isn't democratic socialism a form of socialism?
     
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    Beginning in 1964, LBJ and his Party passed and implemented the Great Society. Billions upon billions have been spent, ostensibly to recompense their suffering and to improve their chances at success. Many other social programs have come and gone since then, all purporting to do the same thing. Poverty, crime, and illegitimacy in that community are all at record highs.
    A steady increase in spending on inner-city schools has never improved outcomes. In fact, the statistics in black education standards are at rock bottom. Teacher's unions protect lazy, ignorant and worst of all, apathetic employees whose career was supposedly chosen to help children prepare to find a better life.
    If there was only ONE change I could demand and make it happen it would be to crush and end teacher or any other public employee unions. They are primarily responsible for the tragedy we see in black communities. These youth have ZERO chance of ever getting free of the Plantations they are chained to.
     
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    Now that Trump and his supporters have given the finger to DC ....... what exactly has been achieved?? And what is next??
     
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    Esdraelon Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You refuse to answer or you can't... which is it? And if you have no desire to engage and only want to insult then don't waste your time. I stopped trying to convince anyone that I had a right to vote my conscience. Americans are all the same in one very critical way. NO ONE tells them what they MUST believe or that they have no right to be themselves.
    Creating an image that one can always look down upon, feel superior to, virtue signal at, may be fun or gratifying in other ways. Mature adults who are willing to actually look beyond the vitriol that has been relentlessly spewed for 4 years are soon going to understand just how dangerous this path has become.
    Neighbor, you've been sold on hate and there are a LOT more out there just like you on both sides of the chasm. Hate is the most corrosive emotion of them all. There's no doubt that the effects are like a narcotic but it will eat you alive if you let it.
    I've tried to stop being angry or frustrated in discussions with those that are on the Bad Orange Man train. It's a waste of time and TBH, I have no right to judge them for what they believe. It's what they seem ready to DO to MY rights because of what they believe that is going to cause the problem.
    So... enjoy the drama and pay close attention so you don't miss any of the really nasty insults and potential horrors in store for America if the BOM isn't dragged from hiding and caged.
    Those media "professionals" you get your fix from may be bad for your health and safety if they manage to convince enough T haters that they have a right or a duty to administer 'justice" to the rabble that supported the BOM. America has always flourished and grown when we compromised and had a "live and let live" outlook. It is going to be a tragic day when the hate purveyors convince enough people that it's okay to try to compel others who disagree with them. Just sayin'
     
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    As someone who spent 33 years teaching, and I See your critism, but I don't see your solutions. Let me guess you want your taxes reduced.
     
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    I'm no psychic. Humans tend to be predictable though so my guess is that there will be a continued back and forth of action and reaction. I would be literally amazed if thousands of supporters of this President made the trip to Biden's oath-taking. If I had to guess, I'd say things will gradually calm until some action is taken in DC that is completely unreasonable and which demonstrates the intention of Democrats to use the levers of power create an advantage beyond our normal election cycles.
    The next flashpoint and the TRULY dangerous one will be any attempt to significantly remove the right to bear arms. I really pray these folks haven't become so deranged and power-mad that they can convince themselves to go THERE.
    My guess is that the cooler heads understand that red line but they'll still demand RED FLAG laws and at that point, individual states will have to make some serious choices. The few states that already have RF laws are confiscating a lot of weapons and trampling on MANY rights without needing anything other than an anonymous tip. That's clearly tyrannical and if it becomes Federal policy there will be violence.
    Where do YOU think this goes next?
     
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    I'm so close to indigence that I have to worry too much about the government taking more from me. Those who clearly still think this issue can be solved with money alone, aren't being realistic. In fact,the money and the ways it has been used has been most of the problem. I really don't think the discussion matters much at this point because the nation as we've known it died on 11/3. Half the voters were effectively disenfranchised and no attempt at explanations, blame, ridicule are going to matter. The vote was the last bond we had. The Left destroyed it and what comes next is going to flow from that. And when all is said and done, all the misery and loss won't be assuaged one iota by those who feel righteously enraged.
     
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    My dear friend.
    I am way beyond hate. I walked through the valley of tears to many times, far to many times.
    Just look at your post, sheer hate and its all about you. Your butt hurt little world.
    Nothing more
     
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    It's hard to figure out how dangerous Trump and his Right Wingers really are.
     
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    Nope
     
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    but weren't all these gunned up freaks claiming all along that they needed to be armed to the teeth so no tyrannical Gmt. could take over?
    why didn't they jump to America's defense at some point? or certainly now that a tyrannical grifter has done far worse?
    will they step up and confront the proud punk types on the 16th or any other time? or are they traitor trump's soldiers?
    don't worry about us taking guns, those will come in loads as we take away the freedoms of these illegal militiamaniacs.
     
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    Whatever...I might agree with you. I doubt that no more than half of the 74 million who voted for Trump and presumably were among those who stormed the Capitol draw any distinction.
     
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    I can only say, what I am hoping for. And that is for things to calm down. We need a calming effect from the top down............so folks can take a moment or more to let emotions settle down.............and do some introspection about all that has happened, the consequences, and what they really want for this country. Things have been too "reactive" for too long. Once things settle down , and if there are no other critical events, things will be perceived more clearly...and objectively. We need a period of calm........so logic and reason can can over rule reaction and rage. What ever the outcome...... it will be a different "norm."......... as two profound influencing factors contributed to the situation.: The pandemic and inept leadership
     
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    True, we shouldn't overreact. However, that said. storming the Capitol is a serious offense. I see no reason not to prosecute those who took part to the fullest extent the law allows. I also suspect that there will be a range of charges and crimes from simple trespassing to murder and, perhaps, treason.
     
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    Nope again.
    74m voted for Trump for what ever reason, party line, do not like Biden, do not like Harris or just because they like Trump.
    I know quite a few of them, they do not like the platform of the democrats, or Biden, or Harris.
    They are main stream Republicans, very decent people.
    Bunker Boy mobilized the worst in us. Happened before.
    We all have it, if you understand that, you might be able to become immune to it.
     
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    Perhaps I stated that poorly. I suspect the rally drew less than a 100,000 (haven't seen an estimate). MOST of those probably fit the categories you noted. But, surely the couple of thousand that actually stormed the building fall into a separate category of their own. And, I'd suggest that even the couple of thousand that took part in that storming were divided into categories of complicity themselves. Some seemed swept up in the crowd and seemed surprised with how easy it had been to get into the building. Not so for those breaking into the building, fighting with Capitol Police, breaking or stealing objects, breaking into offices, etc. We may all have an urge to knowingly break the law on occasion, but the desire to do so doesn't excuse the crime.
     
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    I totally agree. We are not over reacting when we bring those (enter expletive) to justice.

    It is just consequences of their destructive and lawless despicable behavior.
     
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    Lost foreign wars don't help (e.g. Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan). Without "welcome home parades" and benefits a lot of highly trained people with military skills return with the feeling they've been betrayed by their own government. We wouldn't be the first to experience this. Rudyard Kipling wrote about British soldiers returning from lost foreign wars and feeling betrayed. The French military felt betrayed over Vietnam and Algeria and some tried to overthrow the DeGaulle government. And, the Nazis in Germany were largely composed of WW I veterans (including Hitler) who felt betrayed by German elites. Italian fascists, who felt similarly betrayed, brought Mussolini to power, etc., etc.
     
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    No.
     
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    Someone else commented on my answer to you. Basically, I answered that comment with "I might agree with you, but I was referring to a large percentage of the 74 million people, who voted for Trump, and would draw no such distinction." I didn't vote for him. But the fact is there are many nations today that refer to themselves as "socialist" with a wide range of public (or government) ownership of the means of production. Ever heard of "GO-CO facilities?" Government Owned-Contractor Operated. And, there are other examples, particularly in the utilities industry.
     
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    Now that Trump has his Facebook and Twitter permanently taken away from him, I just hope he doesn't ask a stranger for his or her Facebook or Twitter account.
     
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    He already tried to use another account, but they caught him.
     
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    He is going to have to polish up his cheating skill set ;-)
     
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    Orientals and Jews create good environments everywhere in the world that they live, even when they are poor. They succeed against the odds. The black environment has gotten worse since the civil rights legislation was passed into law during the 1960's, and the War on Poverty was declared. Black rates of crime and illegitimacy have increased. Black academic performance has improved little if at all, despite expensive government spending programs like Head Start, and No Child Left Behind.
     

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