Senator Murkowski threatens to quit GOP giving the Democrats a clear Senate majority unless Trump...

How is that supposed to be an argument? A coup attempt, whether carried out by a million people, or a hundred people, is still a coup attempt.

How many guys with zip ties do you think it would take to handcuff a couple of dozen congress people and hold the government hostage?



Absurd argument!

To carry out a political coup you only need a handful of people. And thousands who support them.

 

The vast bulk of my post was just trying to calm you down because you seem to be in a state of panic over this and I thought I'd try to ease some of your stress. But if you want to let the manufactured outrage consume you then by all means, believe this was a "coup". Btw did you ever make yourself aware of exactly how many people got into the capitol, where they were in relation to congress, and how many security checkpoints they would have needed to penetrate before they actually go to them? MSM isn't bothering to tell anyone but its out there if you cared to look but I warn you its going to make you doubt that "coup" narrative so I'll leave finding that out up to you.

 

Frankly, if President Trump convinces that RINO Murkowski to leave the Republican Party, that'd be another win, as far as I'm concerned. She's up for re-election in 2022, and her running as a dem is our best chance to replace her with an actual conservative. If a Republican had won in Georgia, this would be a more substantial threat, but if Schumer's already going to be nominal majority leader for the next two years, let her leave, and lets defeat her in 2022.

 

I'm surprised every day that anyone would still be in today's Trump/QAnon Party. So I guess my answer is no.

 

Murkowski voted with Trump's position 74% of the time. I guess in Trump World, that means she is a dyed in the wool Democrat. WTF, dude.

 

I guess because I have seen democracies fall. I guess only those of us who care about keeping the Republic are concerned. So-called "Americans" who favor a dictatorship are not worried at all.

But I'll calm down when Trump and his minions are in prison.

Who cares? What difference do you think that makes? How many people do you think participated in "The Night of the Long Knives" that put Hitler in power? (just an example... not comparing Hitler to Trump) How many of Pinochet's thugs entered the Presidential Palace to install in Chile one of the bloodiest dictatorships in the world? Point is that you only need a handful of people in the front lines. The rest are outside supporting them.

The lady who was killed, and those behind her, only needed to penetrate one more checkpoint. Her problem was that the guy minding it had a gun.

Look... your post is an exercise in irrelevance. The coup attempt failed, of course. The fact that the ones who tried to carry it out were complete morons doesn't mean it wasn't a coup attempt. Or that they won't attempt it again. Five people died in this one. How many do you think will die in the next attempt? Trump is doing absolutely nothing to stop it. In fact, he was banned from Social Media for promoting it. If he can't even be trusted with tweeting, what makes you think he can be trusted with the nuclear codes?

 

I just said she belongs in the democrat party. I haven't changed my mind.

 

I'm surprised there are so many people in the democrat/anti-common sense party. Actually I'm amazed voters join parties at all. The parties are designed for candidates, not voters. If the reason is voting in primary elections that that just elicits of chuckle from me.

 

That's an odd strategy. Much easier to dump Trump and pick up the pieces. Why would anyone cling to a doomed man rather than keep the caucus together? Makes little sense to me.

 

Are you referring to true Trump conservatives...who believe in carrying enormous debt and reject free trade for tariffs?

 

Because Murkowski is barely a contributor to the caucus as is. We'd be far better off, and Alaska deserves, a much more conservative senator. If Trump can convince her to switch parties so we have a good shot of beating her in 2022, that'd be awesome. If you are too politically naive to see how that benefits conservatives, I'm sorry.

 

The reason she's leaving the party is because she is a conservative. Trump has people fooled. The GOP under Trump is not a conservative party.

 

Murkowski is not a conservative. She's a moderate through and through.

 

IMO, she's more conservative than Trump. Trump isn't conservative...he's even called himself The King of Debt. And, he's rejected free trade in favor of tariffs. Balanced budgets and free trade are both fundamentals for conservatives.

 

You can call her whatever you want. Point is, the Trump Party has abandoned any and all vestiges of conservatism. Everybody has seen this happen over the last four years. George Will didn't wake up one day and decide to be a liberal. Chris Christie is not a leftist. Bill Kristol thankfully has abandoned neoconservatism, but only the neo part.

The Trump Party has no platform. Its platform is "Trump." Literally. Conservatism is a system of values. Trump has no values. None. We all saw this, and we all knew something like this would happen. Nothing Trump has claimed since 2011 is true. Everything everyone has warned us about Trump has come true. Time to join the real world, my friend.

(How can a party operate when its platform is a man? A man who is no longer in power?)

 

Law and order is a necessary position for a conservative viewpoint, IMO. Trump doesn't even respect the rule of law, and now the GOP is filled with sycophants and mindless followers. The law always wins. Trump supporters are in for a ride they never imagined.

 

You are wrong. It's platform is still quite conservative. Republicans still generally oppose gun control. They're still pro-life. They support religious freedom. They're generally less supportive of government spending than their opponents. They are less concerned with grouping everyone by race, gender, and sexual orientation than their opponents. They are less supportive of racist policies such as affirmative action. I could go on, but you get the point. There's a whole lot more going on there than just "Trump".

 

That's what it used to be. Not any more. It most certainly has been turned into the Trump Party. You cannot deny this. The party platform is loyalty to Donald Trump. The official platform. I've posted it here several times.

Yes, many people hold conservative values as you listed. Trump doesn't hold those values. He has no values. That's the point. Trump is a criminal, and anyone who supports a criminal like Trump has forfeited any serious attempt at calling himself a conservative. Conservatives would have not only impeached Trump, they would have been calling for it. Law and order, constitutionalism and the oath of office. Those are the conservative principles Trump has violated.

 

Sure I can. Watch: I deny this. This is the silly claim I'm addressing:

If you've actually read the GOP platform, you know this to be false. Pretty much all the regular old planks from 10 or 20 years ago are still in there: pro-life, religious freedom, right of the people to keep and bear arms, support our military, etc. What you're claiming is demonstrably false. Indeed, you yourself have demonstrated it to be false.

 

Tend to disagree. It will only the 'Trump Partly" until he's gone. Once he won the nomination for Republican Party candidate and then won the election by such a handy margin (no fraud that time apparently) the large % of the party who detested or at least disliked the man were then stuck between a rock and hard place. The party 'owned' Trump pretty much the same way Trump owned the party. He was the guy in the top chair who had one 'them' the election and if nothing else Trump has proved quite adroit at leveraging his enthusiastic fan base into a hammer he could wield against his critics, including those in the senate and congress - in both parties.

There are hell of lot Republican politicians who were looking at his polling figures, their own polling figures and then calculating how much damage Trump could do to them if they spoke up. So they did what most politicians do, take the moral high road and speak out - not.

That's all changed now and being chased out of their own offices was probably the last straw for many Republican congressmen and women. His status in the Republicans always rested on the cynical calculation that he could win. And for that 'win' they were prepared to put up with a lot. Not any more.

The best thing that can happen now will be for Trump to be indited or convicted of some crime, any crime serious enough to shut him out of politics for life. Whether it relates to the recent incident or ongoing tax problems it doesn't matter. The win is keeping him out of politics for the rest of his narcissistic life not putting him in jail as far as I'm concerned. Although seeing him behind bars for a couple of years would be a nice bonus.

 

Good point.

 

This is the usual for Murkowski. Rarely does action follow her words and of course the former is all that matters.

Another pol running their mouth is not a story. The reporter should be calling her everyday to detail her actions. Lisa said, Lisa did, and this is the outcome.

 

Nah. Nah.

The guy has to go and in circumstances in which he never ever is able to darken the door of USA body politic again.

 

I'm a little bit more hopeful about Murkowski than I would be about Susan Collins, when they say things like this. But yes... there is a huge gap between her saying it and actually carrying it out. However, the fact that she said it might give Trump something to worry about at a moment when he might be looking at a second impeachment. A bit of a nudging for him to resign

 

Joe Manchin? Sorta like a rat jumping into the sinking ship?