Which country is the greatest threat to the Western world?

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Which country is the biggest threat to the Western world?

  1. China

    34 vote(s)
    61.8%
  2. Russia

    4 vote(s)
    7.3%
  3. Iran

    1 vote(s)
    1.8%
  4. North Korea

    1 vote(s)
    1.8%
  5. Other?

    15 vote(s)
    27.3%
  1. Reasonablerob

    Reasonablerob Well-Known Member

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    Yes, you were wrong there and you're wrong here. Of course police officers have a problem with domestic violence, they are under such intense pressure, they have higher rates of suicide and alcoholism too. The people of the South should be allowed to honour their fallen brethren even if their cause was irredeemably wrong, in Britain we let the Jacobites celebrate their heroes.

    Everyone is disgusted by BLM, not just conservative right wing America
     
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    Reasonablerob Well-Known Member

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    Yeah, why do you think you call towns in America names like Bismarck? Hitler was a monster, the Confederates weren't.
     
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    Reasonablerob Well-Known Member

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    They removed a government which was going communist (as they did in Latin America). They backed Saddam against the much greater threat of Iranian Islamic Fundamentalism and were right to do so.

    Every country in history targeted civilians in wartime, the US was no worse than anyone else and a whole lot better than virtually everyone else.
     
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    Reasonablerob Well-Known Member

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    Darn right, in each case acting to stop a communist regime which was a far greater threat to world freedom than terrorism.
     
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    Thingamabob Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You are out of your mind.
     
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    Nope I am right and I can prove that black people do less drug related crimes, while get arrested around 250% more often on this than white people..... all the way that they get tossed in jail more often, get longer sentences under the same circumstances, get out on parole less often. Cops play a roll in this, and the institutionalized racism is a clear fact with this statistic proof.

    Besides that... you're just making excuses now why the predominantly white police force may be far more violent than by 400% compared to the natural average.
    When you complain about the black community,... I can go haha... the cops are FAR worse. Them are the facts.

    No they should not in public spaces. There is no place to honor those who fought to violently enslave their black neighbors in public.
    They north and the southern black community won. They get to put up their heroes in public places that ended that disgusting southern white practice, not the traitors.

    Everybody is far more disgusted by Trumps right wing fascists attacking the capital.
    Weird you think you can win this discussion.
     
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    You're wrong. The governments were just left, and not communist. You go source otherwise.


    When Iran supposedly aids terrorism, than they get called out on it too by the US.
    And you're just now making up petty excuses when the tables are turned.
    Pathetic.
     
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    Thingamabob Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    OK.

    ... and we should feel sorry for them because your conviction is what .... that it's the fault of criminals?

    A short list of "Things To do":
    * Stop racism.
    * Provide jobs for your citizens (tax the rich up the ying-yang if necessary)
    * Make "minimum wage" enough to live on
    * Make sure that each and every citizen is guaranteed minimum wage
    * Insist that unemployment checks är equal to minimum wage
    * Ban guns
    * Don't employ police who cannot serve and protect
    * Don't employ police who cannot take the heat
    * Fire police who are alcoholics
    * Fire police who commit domestic violence

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    Interesting list, and exactly how are you going to achieve all those things.? Do tell.

    Off the top of my head (and in no particular order) you'd need to;

    initiate some form of mandatory, national psychological reprogramming strategy on a scale North Korea would envy, have everyone who needed a job employed by the State as capital flees the country, amend the Constitution, be able to predict in advance whether or not someone is capable of performing a particular career (so time machine perhaps?) and organize a national house to house search and seizure campaign.

    So again how?
     
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    No, you are, it was called the Cold War, look it up.
     
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    Actually I don't blame the criminals, they haven't changed. Folks like you who make their job impossible are to blame.
     
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    Sure;
    Salvador Allende - Wikipedia
    Mohammad Mosaddegh - Wikipedia

    Yes, when Iran aids terrorism they get called out by the US and quite rightly. What tables being turned? The US staged the coup in order to prevent Iran becoming a communist dictatorship? That's not petty and you're the one who is pathetic.
     
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    Oh, this is interesting! What exactly have I done or said that makes the police's job "impossible"? Just let me get a box of popcorn .... this is going to be good! :cowboy:
     
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    Personally I don't trust a theocratic regime with nukes ...
    So that, since it seems that no one is going to impede to Iran to develop nuclear weapons ... I've voted for Iran.
     
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    I voted "other" ... because at least all named are some sort of threat, however, this existing threat is exaggerated and often also untrue, or many facts and details are deliberately left out.
    In my opinion, the USA should also be on this list to vote on. No, that has nothing to do with "Anti USA", but with facts. When it comes to its own interests, the USA acts just as ruthlessly as the others mentioned, which is why they are mentioned here as a threat.
     
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    I don't agree but that's an interesting take. You made my head spin a little bit...
     
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    You have failed to prove those 2 are communists.

    And so when the US aids terrorists like Saddam Hussein, than we quite rightly call them terrorists as well. Them tables are the ones who get turned.

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    The US congratulating Saddam with it's WMD war.
     
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    You second guess them with the benefit of hindsight and pick fault with everything they do.
     
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    Allende was Castro's bosom buddy and Chile's parliament and judiciary accused him off creating a dictatorship, Mossadegh was allied with the Iranian communist party and taking his country the same way.

    Yeah, Saddam was our boy just like Stalin was but we never had any illusions about either, just better the devil you know.
     
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    Either China or the EU (even though the EU is not a country) I'm still saying it.
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    I asked you to prove that those people were communist. And you failed and now refused to do it.
    So you've been talking nonsense. And I don't care who Allende drank a cup of tea with according to you.


    Yeah so. The US fully aided terrorism like they accuse Iran of doing with Hezbollah. Except the US is worse. Hezbollah, as far as I know, hasn't done a WMD attack. And if they did, not even close on any scale the US did. That makes the US a terrorist nation as well according to their own idea's. Not to mention the US was the thundering force of the genocide against the Iraqi children. The oil for food program caused 500,000 children to die. The US now aides with the genocide against the people of Yemen.

    But we know how violent and racist the average white right wing American is.
    It's not as if they care about the black lives in the US.
    Most certainly not about foreign brown Muslims.
     
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    He and Fidel had a lot more than tea!

    'A Creature Called Revolution:' Castro And Allende Think Latin America | Analysis | teleSUR English

    As did Mossadegh and the Tudeh;

    Tudeh Party of Iran - Wikipedia

    What terrorism did the US aid? The US only used WMDs twice, once against the Germans in WW1 and the second time to end WW2. Saddam let his people starve rather than obey the UN, America liberated Iraq from him. The US fights to stop Iran's Houthi stooges from seizing the country. Exactly how many people have been killed in the US in the last decade by right wing Americans who are neither racist nor violent. They leave that to African Americans/Houthis/Hamas/Hezbollah and Iran.
     
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    That's funny, I thought the EU should be, (but the EU's not a country).
    The EU want to sell out its morals to make the CCP stronger with CAI, so that's how they're a threat.
    Countries in the EU rarely contribute to NATO too, I think only Poland and Greece do.
    This new EU armed force, what are they going to do for America if America get attacked? Nothing; they're just about protecting the EU; which is unfair since under NATO, the EU enjoyed knowing the US will protect them.


    But what do you think western values are if you think US should be listed as a threat to our values?

    It can't be a place like USA (unless you mean Nancy Pelosi's attack on the US constitution).

    Democracy. ✓

    Due process. ✓

    Rights of minorities. ✓

    The right to own private property. ✓

    USA's a stronger democracy than the UK even (because UK still has an unelected House of Lords) which makes the UK more like the EU, a bit.
    Our elected law makers in the UK make the laws, the unelected pass the laws.
    Your EU unelected make the laws and the elected pass the laws.
    America, has none of that, and Americans get to vote for their leaders, which is something the UK only does by proxy (or something), but not directly.

    I only voted for Boris Johnson for PM because I happen to be a member of the Tory Party and they once asked me who do I want to lead the party and you know I voted Bo'Jo (Boris Johnson).
     
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    Communism is evil, just look at China and the CCP.

    America was totally right to defend democracy in Vietnam and to sanction Communist Cuba when the USSR put nukes on that island putting the US homeland under direct threat of authoritarianism and authoritarian nuclear deployment and aggression.
    Trump's America was willing to defend Taiwan against the CCP, something I hope Biden agrees to commit to, in name of freedom if nothing else and Taiwan's right to not always worry about angering the CCP which they reject but has a claim over them.
     
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    I voted China because I wasnt able to vote my true choice.

    America is the most dangerous country to Western Civilization at the moment.

    I believe America will collapse into disfunction, poverty, depression and civil war in the next 10-15 years. I already have my plans to get out when / if that happens.

    The collapse of our economy and country will be the gravest threat to other western nations.
     
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