An idea to get Trump to resign without institutional crisis

LOL, indeed.

 

Oh. You actually think that there was fraud and the election was stolen. I was taking what you were saying seriously, until I got to your last paragraph. My bad.

 

Anybody faulting the Dems for this current divide when Trump has just spent the last 60 days furthering the divide non-stop, day after day, tweet after tweet, is not really seeing the whole picture very clearly. Sure, both sides are at fault, but at this time Trump is clearly the side that is most at fault.

 

Not just fun it has lead to some intelligent posting by some of the better members on the site. I expect the trolls and hard of thinking will be along to ruin it eventually but it certainly hasn't been pointless even if you haven't had much support (if any) for your idea.

 

Most interesting view. Unsurprising, coming from you, a very intelligent poster.

 

Trump will never resign. He’s got his eye on 2024.

 

About the divide, it may be too late. There is a cancer that needs to be excised. When you have a cancer, you don't try to reconcile your body with it. You try to eliminate it, get it out.

 

But my scenario would preserve his ability to run in 2024, while the alternative being proposed by the 17 senators to strong-arm him, would end any possibility of running in 2024, with any party, which is how this scenario might end up appealing to Trump. You do understand that if the Senate convicts, they can also ban him from running, right?

 

The only way Trump would have a hint of a chance in 2024 would be to switch parties. I’m kidding—-kind of.

 

First, Trump knows the risk of impeachment is very low. I’m sure there are more than enough GOPers in the senate who hate him, but not enough to commit political suicide. They understand that Trump still controls a significant majority of their party. So they can’t risk turning against him.

Second, if Trump were to resign, that would end any prospect of a 2024 win. He has got to maintain the illusion that he did nothing wrong. And resigning would be tantamount to a concession that he did something wrong.

 

Switch to what party?

 

It's a question of a competition between his fundamental cowardice and his deepest loathing of being obligated to anyone. I think he would say No. I think he would try to leverage the moment to attack the Republicans who turned on him, promising to run against them all in the future and threatening even to create his own party. And if he were wavering on the question of pardoning himself, he would then simply do it straightaway. And he would calculate (probably correctly) that the R Senators were bluffing and would not in any event vote to convict him.

The point I think is to impeach him, a second time; mark that down on his record. And then force the R Senators to make the disgraceful vote to acquit him.

 

I'm not so sure any more. I don't think he has the courage to risk another humiliating defeat. I can see him doing an endless tour of expensive speaking engagements for his adoring crowds where he can moan about how victimised he is and sell merchandise but I don't think he would stand for office again.

 

That is no longer so certain. Given that 83% of Americans, according to a poll I saw, were horrified at the events on 1/6/2021, turning against Trump is not as much of a political suicide as it once was. See, 42 Republican senators voted, on the record, against Trump's attempt to challenge the Electoral College votes. It actually surprised me that so few voted with Trump.

That is a more valid point. But again, remember, in my scenario, there would be no 2024 run, in the "or else" presented to him. By complying, he would at least have this possibility still open. No chance versus diminished but still possible chance, he might take the latter. It would depend, then, on how he'd phrase it, in his resignation speech. Like I said, he'd phrase it as having been misunderstood. He wouldn't be accepting the blame, but would be posing as being magnanimous and patriotic, to bring the tension to a halt - especially in view of the new FBI warnings that demonstrations on 1/17/2021 and 1/20/2021 by his followers are supposed to be armed and violent. So, Trump would say "I'm resigning to put an end to this; I don't want my own followers to get hurt or even killed in armed confrontations with the National Guard or the National Guard soldiers to get hurt either; that would be a horrible outcome; I'm already mourning these five deaths. America First, I don't want to see Americans dying." (Yeah, right, not so worried about it when it was Covid-19, but again, lying has never stopped Trump).

 

But we know, and you know, that he -was- robbed. Just fess up, No way headcase Biden who couldn't pack a hearse won 1. Half of the counties Obama won, 2. one bellwether county out of 17 or so, 3. no bellwether states... yet got 80 million votes, more than Obama. Didn't happen. Statistically impossible. The problem with such massive fraud is that you may win, but then you have to deal with the gaping hole of the manufactured votes. 70 million Trump voters believe they were robbed, and they obviously were. The dead, duplicated, switched Biden votes don't care, they have no voice. So maybe 50-60 million actual Biden votes on one side, up to 100 million Trump votes including destroyed Trump votes on the other. Who would win? Did you actually believe that people who couldn't fill a HS gym, arguendo that they voted for Biden (they didn't) are going to suddenly turn enthusiastic about his scary, negative, old incompetent ramblings? They won't. When he launches those jets, will they be happy? No they won't. Trump brought hope, real or imagined, Biden is and will always be Debby Downer. Should have picked a better front for the fraud, even Bernie would have been better.

Trump is in his wheelhouse, the underdog who pulled out the impossible in 2016. His support hasn't diminished one iota, if anything, after the MSM scam job about "muhcapitolriots" his brand has risen drastically. You can fool yourself with MSM narratives of "dropped popularity." Remember when Reagan was "teflon?" Trump is titanium. You are going to have to get him to blow Xi on television to change that. Did you think you and yours blew your wad on barrel scraping on orangemanbad for four years? YOU DID! The public is inured to that horseshit as they should be, it was laid on too thick, and people woke up.

Tied up with lawsuits by partisan hacks? Here's a tip for you, that will all instantly vanish once the piggies get wind that the troughs are open again, and then ALL of them will rush rush to those troughs and start feeding again. There won't be any meaningful prosecutions or lawsuits, that was all show to fool you and yours. Watch.

As far as Trump's health, anything could happen, but I've never seen a 70+ with that level of stamina, maybe due to not drinking, smoking or diddling kids like the Democrats. But whatever, odds are, he's good for at least 15 more years of life. Gonna be a long 15 years for you and yours, who will ironically be the ones who move onto whatever your TV box tells you, and if you keep fixating on Trump, that will clear the path for whatever "Orangemanbad" is next.

 

I think he will pretend that he will run but won't actually run, last minute. But for the GOP senators with presidential aspirations, even his pretending to run will be a disaster as it will freeze the race and suck up all the air in the room, which is why I think there may be more support for my idea than what we'd normally expect from the spineless Republican senators. (Meaning, the idea that they might actually find 17 Republican senators willing to convict; not so much my scenario itself which would still allow him to run... but then, maybe the correct scenario would be that OTHER senators would come to him and say, "look, these 17 are willing to convict; we think that your way out is to resign so that you don't lose your political rights to run.")

So, let's see, who would be possibly joining this cabal (listing Republican senators who have publicly defied Trump already, in various ways, and have spoken against his attempt to overturn the election):

Murkowski
Toomey
Romney
Sasse
Thune
McConnell
Collins
Graham
Paul
Tillis
Cornyn

So, that's 11 who have already publicly defied Trump in various ways, some of them quite incisively, if you listened to their speeches during the EC vote count joint session.

They'd need 6 more. Remember, the spirit of the scenario is that their names would remain secret. I don't think it is impossible to find 6 more, especially if Mitch wanted it; where Mitch goes, the senatorial Republican caucus goes.

 

Yeah...maybe...maybe not. One thing we know about Trump is that his ability to deliver on any of his promises comes with a lot of qualifiers. Like many former members of his inner circle have eluded to, he just ain't that deep. He can't do checkers, let alone 3-D Chess. "Calculation" from Trump is non-existent. There is no strategic or tactical anything. It's all Covefefe, pure unadulterated triple-swilled bullshit.

I just can't figure out if Trump is an acquired taste, or a complete lack of taste.

 

Trump would never win a Republican primary again. He would have a better chance in a Democratic primary. Many powerful, popular, and monied Democrats had affections for Trump before he ran as a Republican and picked populist platform planks that appealed to Republican voters. It’s conceivable if Trump picked the “correct” populist planks and curried the favor of the DNC he’d have a shot at the Democratic primary.

Am I saying this scenario is likely? Not at all. I’m saying it’s more likely than Trump winning a Republican primary.

It’s a moot point anyway as I agree with you he’ll never be healthy enough to run again. Well, I don’t know about that. The last 3 presidential primary winners weren’t particularly young/healthy....

 

Look, sorry, but I stopped reading at the beginning of your first paragraph. The idea that there was massive fraud is something that I don't even consider worth discussing. I suggest that you copy and paste your post into the Conspiracy Theory subforum. As far as this opinion is concerned, I'll stop responding to you here, or reading you. Good night.

 

Uh, sorry, but I think your idea that he would have any success in trying to run as a Democrat takes the cake as the most far-fetched one posted in this thread. Some here were berating me for my scenario being very unlikely; I now can only be said to be the proposer of merely the second most unlikely scenario, so thanks! Whew!

 

That's fine, you are beyond reachable, your posts prove that. The post wasn't for you. And as far as the "Conspiracy Theory" crapola that your side and no one else does and has polluted this forum with for way too long, well that is exactly what it is utter crapola.

 

Well that would allow him to hold rallies to get the adoration he craves without the humiliating defeat at the end of it.

 

My bad, I take nothing seriously in your posts from the first word of them.

 

You're welcome to stop responding to them, then. [insert smiley waving hands to say farewell; we don't seem to have this smiley here]

 

Yeah, a new MAGA party is much more likely but would only end up splitting the vote and ensuring an easy Democrat win.
No way the Dems would take him on, he's worth more votes to them as the opposition.