Utah Man with a History of Organizing Violent Antifa, BLM Protests, Was Inside the Capitol

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  1. Aleksander Ulyanov

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    The only evidence I saw was instantly and categorically denied by the people making the software device that was said to have gathered it. They said they had identified known neo-Nazis, NOT Antifa. Only groups who are invested in the political impossibility of conflating the two in order to deceptively smear the one with the other would make that silly of a mistake.

    And in any case, even some Antifa being there doesn't instantly prove that the whole thing was an Antifa plant, as many rightists seem to imply. These insurrectionists were nearly certainly and entirely Trump's people doing Trump's bidding, that much simply CAN'T be denied.
     
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    Don't hold your breath...

    I don't normally watch "the News" like CNN, Fox, MSNBC etc but a Democratic friend from NY was visiting last week does so I was quickly reminded why I quit as I obliged and watched it with him for the first time in months.

    CNN's bias was so egregious that there were times when CNN was indistinguishable from a paid Democratic political ad. As I watched CNN feature one blatant, Black race hustler and recently converted law-and-order advocate after another vent their selectively outraged spleen, I asked my friend if he too noticed CNN's egregious bias. I was relieved to hear my friend comment: "Sure, CNN hates Trump and they'll do anything to make him look bad."

    Since you're probably more familiar with CNN's shameless bias than I am, you obviously realized that CNN will continue to paint any Trump supporter, no matter how tepid, as a frothing White supremacist and/or murderous Right Wing anarchist.
    They'll never admit that Antifa or BLM terrorists had anything to do with the seizure of the Capital on 6 January.
     
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    Remember. Who benefits MOST from the violence at the capital? Democrats or Republicans? We know Right wing Extremists were involved and we know ANTFA was there too. It only takes 1 person to start a riot and ONLY ANTIFA and BLM has a recent history of mass riots. For 4 years extremist Trump supporters have been quite peaceful when compared to what BLM and ANTFA have been doing, especially going back to even Obama, when the riots really started. So might be worth following the break crumbs. Every idiot is still responsible for their own actions, but as the investigations continue, more and more is going to come out.

    Just learned the first 13 or so most high profile arrests were tracked and their social media history didn't link them to Parlor. But they had Twitter and Facebook coordination. How VERY interesting.
     
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    There isn’t a single word of truth in your post, and your “riot” picture is a building fire, not a riot.

    The other part of your post is right. Right wing America invaded the people’s house, vandalized it, and are now busy trying to hide, deny responsibility, or deflect.
     
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    yep ... first we had the Antifa Made Me Do It defense and now the Twitter/Facebook defense ... I wonder which ones the horned guy in pajama bottoms and his neckbeard buddies will use ... if I was the guy in the Auschwitz shirt, I would go with the Photoshop defense ...
     
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  8. Aleksander Ulyanov

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    Because they didn't, but then Truth is one of those things that is unaffected by bias and I'm not surprised that conservatives don't understand that
     
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    This is a British Documentary by the only actual news team able to film, record and cover the event.
    There is actual evidence that right wing trouble makers were the ones causing trouble.
    One small part that showed militarised, almost uniformed, men in Kentucky I believe, showed those people driving around in a pick up vehicle which was coldly reminiscent of ISIS.
    I suppose a pick up vehicle with heavily armed men on it, is the go to resource for those causing trouble.
    If you are able to watch the documentary please do.
    At first I thought it was all quite funny, but after seeing the documentary I think the storming of the Capitol will be a touchstone event for America as Tiananmen Square was for China.


    https://www.itv.com/news/2021-01-12...ed-world-reveal-inside-story-of-what-they-saw
     
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    Those particular individuals were quite threatening and scary=) Because thats how you take over a capital building, dressing up as a Viking in pajamas and armed with a flag=) Total complete morons to the Nth degree, but not taking over a damn thing. They probably should have kept their faces covered in masks and hoodies like ANTIFA does, to easily get away with bouncing from riot to riot without any real way to be identified. Would have gotten away with it easily. But then, how else would they have gotten those selfies? ANTIFA has been far more skilled and coordinated with the rioting. Or maybe these idiots learned from them, except for exposing their identities. Idiots all around. Glad they're arrested.
     
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    This was an excuse that Trumpsters started peddling almost the minute it dawned on the mob what they had done.

    I was especially struck by the mob in the Rotunda. The vibe seemed to be, we stormed the Capitol, just like the Fuhrer wanted. Now what do we do?

    PS. Better erase those last few tweets, selfies, FB posts, Parler posts.

    And start spreading rumors about Anita, and if you don’t have one, make one up. And do it fast.

    Clearly this crowd does not want responsibility for their actions when the whole world is watching and condemning.

    But that’s the Trump crowd.
     
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    Actually, advance publicity for the riot urged particpants to dress all in black. Which most of them didn’t do. They wanted to show off thier Trump swag. After all, it goes out next week.
     
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    Hundreds of Republicans/Trump supporters vs one BLM supporter. Trumpers are using him as a distraction from the violent mob of fellow Trump supporters. You know it. So does everyone else.

    See, you can't even deal with this information without yet another 'but the left' distraction. Do you even know you are doing it consciously or is it so deeply programmed that you just do it reflexively? After Trump won in 2016 neo-Nazi Richar Spencer & his buddies gathered for a celebration, giving the Nazi salute & yelling 'Heil Trump'. Far right extremists have regularly associated themselves with Tump since before he was President, yet your first instinct is '....but the left'.

    The story below identigies some of Trump's 'very good people' at the Capitol protest. As per your BLM/ANTIFA logic, its safe to assume there were more than just those identified.

    https://worldisraelnews.com/anti-se...tive-openly-displayed-during-pro-trump-mobs-a
     
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    They just arrested this racist hater.

    Utah activist John Sullivan arrested for involvement in Capitol riot

    TOOELE COUNTY, Utah — Utah activist John Sullivan was taken into custody in Provo Friday, over a week after he shared video of himself inside the U.S. Capitol as protesters breached security.

    Sullivan, 26, was charged in federal court with:

    • One count of knowingly entering or remaining in any restricted building or grounds without lawful authority
    • One count of violent entry and disorderly conduct on Capitol grounds
    • One count of interfering with law enforcement engaged in the lawful performance of their official duties incident to and during the commission of civil disorder

    https://www.fox13now.com/news/local...van-arrested-for-involvement-in-capitol-riots
     
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    This video proves Antifa was at the Capitol riot including John Sullivan.

    Who here will denounce Antifa for supporting the Capitol riot and breaking in Windows?

    John Sullivan even tweeted before before the event calling for many Antifa to show up to the protest as shown in the video.



    Trump supporters actually tried to stop Antifa. To bad most of the media will not show that.
     
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    Wrong. Video proves many Antifa were present.

    Trump supporters admitted to going inside but say the police let them in which the video also proves. Watch this for about 20 seconds and you will get to the videos:

     
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    Many Antifa was there. John Sullivan even tweeted before the event asking for as many Antifa to show up as possible.

    Watch this video: it shows Antifa breaking windows and more.



    A seperate video I watched showed several white Antifa vans show up.

    Trumps speech ended at 1:11 PM per video. People gathered at the Capitol at 12:40 PM and stormed it about 12:55 PM before Trump was even done talking. People at his speech needed 45 minutes to walk there and never leave his speech early. Even leaving 15 minutes early was not enough time.

    Trump is innocent.
     
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    There may have been some in the crowd with mal intent but I don't see a serious insurrection attempt. Rioting, property damage, numerous assaults and interrupting a congressional process for sure. Being idiots definitely. The worst thing I saw was the assault on LEOs ... not sure where I stand on appropriate punishments for convictions of the various crimes committed by the crowd. I'll let it play out and comment as the process progresses.

    Ashli Babbitt is the one person in all of this that I have taken an interest in and unfortunately her sentence has already been handed down. She was definitely unstable and prone to extremes throughout her life. Certainly anti-authority as her military record shows. 13 year veteran discharged as an E-4? Hell, I made E-5 in the Air Force in less than 4 years. And she was NG, where it is easy to make rank especially if you have been deployed and have campaign ribbons. What caused this girl to fall into the Q nonsense? ... just mind boggling
     
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    All summer, right-wing counterprotesters showed up at BLM/Antifa riots to stir up trouble.

    All summer, BLM/Antifa counterprotesters showed up at Trump rallies to stir up trouble.

    A week ago Wednesday, there was a notable absence of BLM/Antifa counterprotesters at the StopTheSteal rally.

    Wonder why?

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    Heh, well you're not wrong.

    AFFIDAVIT IN SUPPORT OF CRIMINAL COMPLAINT
     
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    I guess the Dems will have to live with the fact they have Sullivan as one of their retards while the Repubs will have to live with trump being one of their retards.
     
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    Police 'let them in'? Did you not see people being crushed at the doors? Did you not see police being beaten at the doors? Are you not aware that a policeman was beaten so badly he died and that over 50 more police had injuries? Have you missed all the elected Republican officials & memebrs of far fight groups identified as being at the Capitol.

    Are you so deep in the cult that you simply purge all this from your brain because ANTIFA! ANTIFA! Wow. I keep telling myself not to be surprised at how much Trump supporters can bend reality to suit their feelings, yet it is just getting worse.
     
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    We have video proof that police let a crowd in at one gate. A guy at the gate was waving for them to walk in.

    I have nothing more to say to you since you refuse to watch video evidence proving Antifa was there.
     
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    Antifa was there. I proved this with videos.

    Trump was set up by the Democrats, Antifa and even the media and news.

    I was reading the Des Moines Register and saw they had worded a article to have it say: Trump called for his supporters to " fight like He'll" against the election results.

    What Trump actually said was we Republicans fight like hell meaning we don't give up and stay strong but he also said to protest peacefully. That is a big difference. The news wants you all to believe Trump incited a riot who stormed the Capitol before he was even done with his speech. That's a lie.

    The people that stormed the Capitol was a mix of Trump supporters and Antifa. Trump was set up so he could be impeached again.

    The news is nothing more than propaganda and lies. As Trump said it's fake news.

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