BIDEN SPEAKS LIVE TO NATION

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    I only started this thread to give my fellow posters a "heads-up" that President-elect Biden was being broadcast on, I assume many, tv stations, giving us his first description of his plans for our nation, both longer-term & in the IMMEDIATE future, as soon as he goes on the clock.

    Unfortunately, it ended around 7:43 PM, & I caught less than 10 mins. of it. However, for those who are interested, I'm sure all the News & Network broadcasts are, at this moment, hitting the bullet points (I'm taping it).

    To not hold up this notice any longer, I'm posting it bare-bones, & leaving for subsequent posts to cover what he said (for those who prefer the Cliff Notes). But it sounded BOLD, and it sounded CONCRETE. From addressing Covid-19, to economic relief checks, to a national plan to rebuild the country's infrastructure, which the financial ratings company, Moody's, said will create 18 MILLION, GOOD-PAYING JOBS.

    Joe wasn't my first-choice candidate, but all the signs, so far, are that he may have been the RIGHT CHOICE, for the moment we are all in.
     
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    Biden only says what other people write for him. If he had to write his own stuff, or god forbid, wing it, the nurses would be wondering how he escaped.
     
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    Imagine saying this and supporting trump.
     
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    And yet one of the long standing complaints against Biden is that when he gets behind a microphone you cannot shut him up?????
     
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    I know many, at least many here at Political Forum, have believed Biden to be just a, "front," for other forces, pulling his strings. Well, while I'm certainly not going to predict a scandal-free, IMMACULATE Presidency, 4 years in advance, for ANYONE. But, these who are so sure of Biden's pliability to behind-the-scenes powers, may wind up being as surprised as the Praetorian Guard who installed Claudius as Emperor. He, too, was assumed to be simple-minded, and just a tool for them. But he turned out being one of the most effective, judicious Emperors that Rome ever knew, dedicating himself not just to expanding the Empire, abroad, but to PUBLIC WORKS, making improvements that were felt in the lives of the common citizens. He focused especially on ROADS, CANALS, & AQUADUCTS-- In other words, an INFRASTRUCTURE PLAN (who knows, maybe Claudius is Biden's model).

    But the potential similarities may not end there, though this next, ironic similarity, may be a lot to hope for. The following is quoted from Wikipedia:

    "Claudius set about REMODELING the SENATE into a more efficient, representative body. He chided the senators about their reluctance to debate bills introduced by himself, as noted in the fragments of a surviving speech:

    If you accept these proposals, Conscript Fathers, say so at once and simply, in accordance with your convictions. If you do not accept them, find alternatives, but do so here and now; or if you wish to take time for consideration, take it, provided you do not forget that you must be ready to pronounce your opinion whenever you may be summoned to meet. It ill befits the dignity of the Senate that the consul designate should repeat the phrases of the consuls word for word as his opinion, and that every one else should merely say 'I approve', and that then, after leaving, the assembly should announce 'We debated'.[40]
    <END SNIP>

    Another parallel, I feel we are bound, in the future, to be able to draw, is Claudius's willingness to ALLOW FORMER SLAVES to RUN BUREAUS of the Government. To, once again, excerpt a passage from wikipedia:

    Claudius was hardly the first emperor to use freedmen to help with the day-to-day running of the Empire. He was, however, forced to increase their role as the powers of the princeps became more centralized and the burden larger. This was partly due to the ongoing hostility of the Senate, as mentioned above, but also due to his respect for the senators. Claudius did not want free-born magistrates to have to serve under him, as if they were not peers.

    The secretariat was divided into bureaus, with each being placed under the leadership of one freedman. Narcissus was the secretary of correspondence. Pallas became the secretary of the treasury. Callistus became secretary of justice. There was a fourth bureau for miscellaneous issues, which was put under Polybius until his execution for treason. The freedmen could also officially speak for the Emperor, as when Narcissus addressed the troops in Claudius' stead before the conquest of Britain.[42]

    Since these were important positions, the senators were aghast at their being placed in the hands of former slaves. If freedmen had total control of money, letters, and law, it seemed it would not be hard for them to manipulate the Emperor. This is exactly the accusation put forth by the ancient sources. However, these same sources admit that the freedmen were loyal to Claudius.[42]
     
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    I voted for what Trump said and stood for. You voted for the unknown people who write his material and give him his meds.
     
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    :roflol:

    As compared to Trump's Epic Original Intellect?

    [​IMG]

    Good luck with that.:bored:
     
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    Managed to embarrass trump in 2 debates lol
     
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    And he managed to whoop Trump's ass in the election. LOL
     
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    Do you do much besides troll?
     
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    If he lives long enough.

    Joe Biden will be the OLDEST president


    I think you need to take into account the very real possibility Kamala may end up filling the position. (President dies or becomes incapacitated, the Vice President automatically takes over)


    By the way, I personally mostly agree with you. Biden is a decently competent person, he's not stupid. But, due to his advanced age, his mind is a little slow and he is likely going to be a little low on mental energy, which we all know is likely going to mean he's going to delegate out most of the decision-making to his cabinet of advisers. So they will be the ones mostly running things, in actuality. So the very real question is who is going to be on the cabinet.

    Is he going to give into pressure from his Party and fill them with radicals and whacky personalities? Will the just be a few "token" activist members of his cabinet, maybe to advise him on issues that are not as critical?

    And in the even Kamala ever takes over (who knows if they would actually let her) it's going to be a whole other bag of beans.

    I suspect Speaker Nancy Pelosi would somehow try to take over, however, if that were the case. Or the Party might just pressure Kamala to be the temporary figurehead and give her documents to sign.
     
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    He’s already announced like his entire cabinet.
     
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    (Picking up with where I left off, in my post examining possible similarities between our President-elect, & the standout, if "accidental" Roman Emporer, Claudius).


    Of course, we will have to wait & see. I am not, with this thread, making any judgements, only contemplating the possibilities. Our next President is not, physically, impressive, and he is no great orator. But he does appear to know his own mind and to be truly willing to consider all points of view. I just hope people, for all of our own sakes, will be willing to belay their verdicts until at least some of the evidence is in.

    Primary, among all the important attributes in an elected leader, is Sincerity. Joe Biden has me convinced, at present, that he does mean what he says-- though my appraisal will be ongoing, a work in progress. I surely can't see, however, any good reason to start off doubting that he wants to work with Republicans in a bipartisan way, especially if Democrats & those on the Left are willing to bury the hatchet with McConnell; leadership that is responsible to the people, has to be able to make compromises, to best serve all their needs.

    As for those who had wished for a more progressive candidate, as had I, I'll remind you that, if our one piece of the electorate got everything we wanted, it wouldn't still be a democratic government we were living under. But I will interject one of Biden's policy priorities that I neglected to mention, in my hasty OP, that I'd overheard: a national, federal $15 minimum wage.

    And to those who feel inspired by this, to form a new Praetorian Guard in order to install their own , hand-picked, leader. If you give it a chance, and are loyal to our Republic, I think you will find that a rising tide, lifts all boats.
     
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    False, we voted against what trump (and apparently you) stand for.
     
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    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/us-policy/2021/01/14/biden-stimulus-covid-relief/?outputType=amp

    Better late than never! See the speech at WaPo site, above. Running time: 5:43 (less than 6 minutes)
    The proposal is aimed at addressing the nation’s immediate needs. A larger recovery package will follow.
    [​IMG]

    President-elect Joe Biden revealed his $1.9 trillion emergency relief plan on Jan. 14, which included aid to American families, businesses and communities. (The Washington Post)
    By Erica Werner and Jeff Stein
    Jan. 14, 2021 at 9:22 p.m. EST


    . . .Edit

    The legislation includes a number of priorities sought by top congressional Democrats, including some of the more liberal members, from increasing the federal minimum wage to $15 an hour to adding billions in funding for child care.

    Biden called for , for millions of jobless Americans. The benefits would be extended through September, preventing millions of people from losing their jobless aid in March, as would occur under current law
    . Biden’s plan states that he will also seek to link the level of unemployment benefits to general economic factors, so that benefits increase automatically when the unemployment rate spikes.

    As expected, Biden’s proposal would also increase from $600 to $2,000 per person the stimulus payments approved by Congress last month. Trump enthusiastically endorsed the $2,000 stimulus payments, as did congressional Democratic leaders, but many Republicans opposed the idea. Biden’s plan would also expand eligibility for the stimulus payments to families where one parent is an immigrant, as well as to adult children claimed as dependents on their parents’ tax returns. Both categories were excluded in the last relief packages due to GOP opposition. About 13.5 million adult dependents were excluded from the checks as a result, including millions of disabled people.


    A major expansion of tax credits is also included in Biden’s proposal, for children and lower-income workers. Biden’s plan would expand a tax credit for children to $3,600 a year per child under 6, as well as $3,000 a year for children under 17. It would also extend eligibility for the credit to millions of very poor families and would dramatically boost the Earned Income Tax Credit, a benefit for workers, from $530 to $1,500.

    Biden’s plan also contains new initiatives aimed at buoying the ailing U.S. economy, such as a combined 14 weeks of paid sick and family medical leave for millions of workers. It would provide grants to more than 1 million small businesses, and approve about $35 billion toward making low-interest loans available, particularly for clean-energy investments. Biden’s plan would put tens of billions of dollars into other needs facing the country, from food and water assistance, food stamps, and funding for U.S. territories such as Puerto Rico.

    The size of the package and its embrace of multiple liberal priorities that are anathema to Republicans — including a large sum for state and local governments — raises questions about how much bipartisan support Biden will be able to get for the proposal. He is already facing pressure from liberals on Capitol Hill who want to use Democrats’ newfound control of Congress to push through aggressive and costly legislation.


    Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.), who will chair the Budget Committee, has said he is working to put together a massive stimulus bill that could pass under special budget rules with a simple majority vote in the Senate, instead of the 60-vote margin normally required.

    Biden, however, wants to try for a bipartisan majority on his first bill — although his team appears to have conducted little outreach to congressional Republicans on the plan. Democratic aides say that if Republicans do not appear willing to cooperate, they can shift gears quickly and move to “budget reconciliation,” the procedure that would allow them to pass legislation without GOP votes. That’s how Republicans passed their big tax-cut bill after Trump took office, and how President Barack Obama passed the Affordable Care Act.

    The Senate will be divided 50-to-50 between Republicans and Democrats in the new Congress, giving Democrats control because Vice President-elect Kamala D. Harris will have the tie-breaking vote. Democrats’ 222-to-211 majority in the House is the narrowest for either party in years.


    With those margins, even holding enough Democrats together to pass legislation along party lines could prove a challenge. The most conservative Senate Democrat, Sen. Joe Manchin III (W.Va.), has already expressed skepticism about the need for a new round of stimulus checks, while Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.) said Thursday that Biden isn’t going far enough by proposing $1,400 checks, even though Biden’s approach means most people will end up with $2,000 given the earlier batch of $600 checks. “$2,000 means $2,000. $2,000 does not mean $1,400,″ Ocasio-Cortez said.

    Foreshadowing the legislative fight to come, Biden’s plan quickly attracted criticism from advocates on the right and the left. Stephen Moore, an outside economic adviser to Trump, slammed it as “fiscally irresponsible.” Mark Wolfe, head of the National Energy Assistance Directors’ Association, said he was disappointed the proposal didn’t include more money for rental assistance or low-income energy assistance.

    There was little immediate reaction from congressional Republicans. Rep. Kevin Brady (R-TX) was one of the few to issue an immediate reaction, saying Biden’s proposal “does nothing to save Main Street businesses, get people back to work or strengthen our economy.“


    ”Special interests and liberals are cheering,” he said in a statement. “The jobless and Main Street are left shaking their heads.”

    The $130 billion in K-12 funding in the proposal is aimed at paying expenses associated with mitigating the spread of virus inside schools, such as improving ventilation systems. Although Biden has said he wants to open a majority of schools, there is no federal tally of how many are open to date, and some research suggests a majority of them may be offering in-person options already.

    Laura Meckler and Heather Long contributed to this report.
     
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    Despite him not being my cup of tea, I pledge to praise him for his successes and denounce him for his transgressions, as I did with President Trump.
     
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    Exactly.

    He absolutely excoriated Trump. Twice.
     
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    And amazingly it does not contain
    1. People related to him
    2. Golf buddies
    3. Donors to his election fund
    4. People who have gotten him out of legal trouble in the past
    5. Complete incompetents
    6. People looking to feather their own nests and
    7. People who tick all of the boxes above
     
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    The 2ND (& BETTER) HALF of WaPo article, continued from post #17.


    The legislation includes a number of priorities sought by top congre-ssional Democrats, including some of the more liberal members, from increasing the federal minimum wage to $15 an hour to adding billions in funding for child care.

    Biden called for unemployment payments to go from $300 to $400, for millions of jobless Americans. The benefits would be extended through September, preventing millions of people from losing their jobless aid in March, as would occur under current law. Biden’s plan states that he will also seek to link the level of unemployment benefits to general economic factors, so that benefits increase automatically when the unemployment rate spikes.

    As expected, Biden’s proposal would also increase from $600 to $2,000 per person the stimulus payments approved by Congress last month. Trump enthusiastically endorsed the $2,000 stimulus payments, as did congressional Democratic leaders, but many Republicans opposed the idea. Biden’s plan would also expand eligibility for the stimulus payments to families where one parent is an immigrant, as well as to adult children claimed as dependents on their parents’ tax returns. Both categories were excluded in the last relief packages due to GOP opposition. About 13.5 million adult dependents were excluded from the checks as a result, including millions of disabled people.

    A major expansion of tax credits is also included in Biden’s proposal, for children and lower-income workers. Biden’s plan would expand a tax credit for children to $3,600 a year per child under 6, as well as $3,000 a year for children under 17. It would also extend eligibility for the credit to millions of very poor families and would dramatically boost the Earned Income Tax Credit, a benefit for workers, from $530 to $1,500.

    Biden’s plan also contains new initiatives aimed at buoying the ailing U.S. economy, such as a combined 14 weeks of paid sick and family medical leave for millions of workers. It would provide grants to more than 1 million small businesses, and approve about $35 billion toward making low-interest loans available, particularly for clean-energy investments. Biden’s plan would put tens of billions of dollars into other needs facing the country, from food and water assistance, food stamps, and funding for U.S. territories such as Puerto Rico.

    The size of the package and its embrace of multiple liberal priorities that are anathema to Republicans — including a large sum for state and local governments — raises questions about how much bipartisan support Biden will be able to get for the proposal. He is already facing pressure from liberals on Capitol Hill who want to use Democrats’ newfound control of Congress to push through aggressive and costly legislation.

    Sen. Bernie SANDERS (I-Vt.), who WILL CHAIR THE BUDGET COMMITTEE, has said he is working to put together a massive stimulus bill that could pass under special budget rules with a simple majority vote in the Senate, instead of the 60-vote margin normally required.

    BIDEN, however, wants to try for a BIPARTISAN MAJORITY on his first bill — although his team appears to have conducted little outreach to congressional Republicans on the plan. Democratic aides say that if Republicans do not appear willing to cooperate, they can shift gears quickly and move to “budget reconciliation,” the procedure that would allow them to pass legislation without GOP votes. That’s how Republicans passed their big tax-cut bill after Trump took office, and how President Barack Obama passed the Affordable Care Act.

    The Senate will be divided 50-to-50 between Republicans and Democrats in the new Congress, giving Democrats control because Vice President-elect Kamala D. Harris will have the tie-breaking vote. Democrats’ 222-to-211 majority in the House is the narrowest for either party in years.

    With those margins, even holding enough Democrats together to pass legislation along party lines could prove a challenge. The most conservative Senate Democrat, Sen. Joe Manchin III (W.Va.), has already expressed skepticism about the need for a new round of stimulus checks, while Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.) said Thursday that Biden isn’t going far enough by proposing $1,400 checks, even though Biden’s approach means most people will end up with $2,000 given the earlier batch of $600 checks. “$2,000 means $2,000. $2,000 does not mean $1,400,″ Ocasio-Cortez said.

    Foreshadowing the legislative fight to come, Biden’s plan quickly attracted criticism from advocates on the right and the left. Stephen Moore, an outside economic adviser to Trump, slammed it as “fiscally irresponsible.” Mark Wolfe, head of the National Energy Assistance Directors’ Association, said he was disappointed the proposal didn’t include more money for rental assistance or low-income energy assistance.

    There was little immediate reaction from congressional Republicans. Rep. Kevin Brady (R-TX) was one of the few to issue an immediate reaction, saying Biden’s proposal “does nothing to save Main Street businesses, get people back to work or strengthen our economy.“

    ”Special interests and liberals are cheering,” he said in a statement. “The jobless and Main Street are left shaking their heads.”

    The $130 billion in K-12 funding in the proposal is aimed at paying expenses associated with mitigating the spread of virus inside schools, such as improving ventilation systems. Although Biden has said he wants to open a majority of schools, there is no federal tally of how many are open to date, and some research suggests a majority of them may be offering in-person options already.

    Laura Meckler and Heather Long contributed to this reportp
     
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    So, you voted for sedition and insurrection?
     
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    Person woman man camera TV
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    Sorry to hear that.
    Bizarre claim. Everyone has speechwriters. Did you not know this?
     
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    You left out the racist black woman who thinks blacks are superior to everyone. It was an honest mistake, right?
     

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