Kyle Rittenhouse, out on bail, flashed white power signs at a bar, prosecutors say

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    Why would I use the ignore function? There is a lot to learn from posts like yours and I’m here to learn.

    You accused someone of wanting to kill people based on their race. You made other demonstrably false statements. Then you say those things you intentionally wrote don’t matter. When you use the word “verisimilitude”, are you saying you meant to create a false narrative instead of an accurate one?

    Intentionally making false statements isn’t a “writing style”, lawyer or not.
     
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    This is why context is important. I have seen a lot of swastikas during my travels. The ones on Buddhist temples meant something different to the ones at Dachau. Giving a particular gesture in the presence of members of a violent right wing group may mean something different to giving it in a different context.

    I feel like this is the sort of stuff even schoolkids understand, which makes me wonder if the people ignoring context either don't have he intelligence of schoolkids or are simply being deliberately misleading.
     
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    simply being deliberately misleading misled.

    Willful ignorance is rampant these days.
     
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    It's not your writing style or focus that's the problem, it's that you believe things that simply aren't true. You're not relating to reality, you're off in a fantasyland of your own creation.
     
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    being out on bail means you can't do that kinda stuff, you have to follow the rules, yes. the rules apply to Trump supporters too

    he was lucky to even be on bail imo - when you get that lucky, you should not push your luck
     
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    More than this, he was posing with a group of Proud Boys.. a group that openly expresses a white genocide conspiracy theory as being a staple to their platform, but they're totally NOT white nationalists....

    and what about the fact that he taking the photo with a group of Proud Boys

    #TotallyNotWhiteNationalists
     
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    What was a 17 yr old doing in a bar?
     
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    He's 18 now and he was with his mommy so he was legal. Of course it may just be that he's looking to present an insanity plea and he's just adding to his evidence.

    I doubt he'll go to prison but will be found criminally insane and will spend many years with psychiatrists before he's seen in public again. If that is, he is ever seen in public again.
     
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    How does it matter how far away Rittenhouse came from? I said he was there to kill blacks and the fact that the people he did kill were white indicates nothing more than his faulty perception of who was rioting. His pursuers did indeed threaten him with a skateboard but only because he had just threatened them with a rifle.

    Your attempts at obfuscation do not alter the basic fact, You gun owners are not a new Samurai with the right of kirisute-gomen (to cut down and walk away) giving you the right to simply kill anyone you desire on the flimsiest of pretexts
     
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  10. Aleksander Ulyanov

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    How do you know anyone involved was a pedophile? This is Q-Anon bullsh*t and you know it. You disgrace yourself and this board by using it.

    Again, you don't get to threaten people with a rifle and then shoot them when they chase you. That's exactly equivalent to robbing an unarmed person, then shooting him dead when he resists giving you his money whereupon you claim self-defense. The law doesn't work that way and you know it. That's felony murder and just the same as first degree
     
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    Depends on the prosecutor. If he's trying to run for office he may be sympathetic and Rittenhouse will likely walk or get a wrist slap like happened in Florida. If he wants to tell the gun advocates that they can't just come in from out of town and hunt rioters every time there's a disturbance he'll be properly charged and spend the next 25 years regretting what he did
     
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    You're the one that first tried to make it an issue when you mistakenly thought he had traveled "hundreds" of miles.

    No, you said he did kill blacks. It was yet another example of your ignorance of the reality of the situation showing.
     
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    You're so ignorant of the situation it's comical. The first person Kyle shot was named Joseph Rosenbaum. He had been convicted in Arizona of molesting little boys. He was a pedophile. That's a verifiable fact.

    Look, this would go a lot better for you if you'd take a few minutes and educate yourself on the basics of the Kyle Rittenhouse case, rather than just spouting off made-up nonsense repeatedly.
     
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    We are already screwed when people defend a murderer out on bail and think nothing happened at the capitol on Jan 6th.
     
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    Boy the radical right is feeling their oats aren't they?
     
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    But none of what you say ever happened.
     
  17. Aleksander Ulyanov

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    And this would go much better for you if you stop trying to obfuscate the situation with obvious and transparent irrelevancies while ignoring salient facts that determine the all-important context of what happened. I have been on this board some little time now, and so have a greater than working familiarity with all the clumsy and transparent attempts of conservatives to confuse issues with facile obscurantism. I suppose that is an occupational hazard when you deal very much with creatures who thrive in muddy waters.
     
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  18. Aleksander Ulyanov

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    How so?
     
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    1. He WAS defending himself

    2. Antifa and other thugs put HIM in a position where he had to use lethal force to defend himself

    3. He wasn't breaking any laws.

    Too bad for you and your ilk that the whole thing is on video. Otherwise he would already have been railroaded.
     
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    Speaking of ignorance on display, Rosenbaum was convicted “sexual conduct with a minor” in Arizona’s Pima County in March 2002 meaning that at the age of 17 or 18 he had sex with someone under 18 and I'd be willing to bet a lot of us here have been known to have had sex with someone under 18. In fact I'd be willing to bet that a significant percentage of teenagers over the last 50 years have been guilty of that. That he was a pedophile that molested little boys is by no means a "verifiable fact".

    Moving on, as that is irrelevant to the shooting anyway, it should be noted that the only crime the punk could accuse Rosenbaum of was assault with a deadly plastic bag.
     
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    The below information is easily found on the internet from a multitude of news sources and journalists. Andy Ngo reported on it nicely, but I'll cite Snopes for you because I think you will ignorantly discredit his reporting like you do everyone else on this board.

    https://www.snopes.com/news/2020/09/11/rittenhouse-victims-records/
    Bonus:
     
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    No, he was not, he was fleeing a felonious assault which he had started and thus was still engaged in it.

    He could have simply kept on running

    Walking toward a group of people with a rifle in such a way as to cause them to feel in fear of their lives is assault with a deadly weapon, and a serious crime anywhere in the US
     
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    So? How is this RELEVANT? Was Rittenhouse justified because the people he murdered had done something illegal themselves at some point in the past?

    Wow, that guy ran a stop sign in 1956. I'm perfectly justified in killing him now
     
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    ROFLMAO.... speculating about the charges in the age of google. He was sodomizing boys as young as 9 years old. A real prince. The world lost somebody special when he was killed. Now that Biden is in power, perhaps they will build a statue for him or name a few elementary schools after him.

    https://www.lawenforcementtoday.com...nal-histories-of-shooting-victims-in-kenosha/
     
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    I don’t know.
    That’s not the point.
    The point is that everyone knows the OK=White Power is a hoax. Applying the hoax to a real criminal investigation is beyond absurd!
     
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