The CAGW Handbook

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  1. Sunsettommy

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    WE know you hate the worlds largest science blog, a place I proudly help Moderate. A place where anyone can post there even dissenting posts, but YOU are afraid to tell the many scientists, Engineers, Geologists, and other major science degree holders who author or comment there that they are wrong.

    There are over 3 MILLION comments there.

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    NASA thinks the Greening is real and ongoing, all based on CO2 a beneficial gas for life.

    From NASA website:

    Carbon Dioxide Fertilization Greening Earth, Study Finds

    Posted April 26, 2016

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    You are only 100% wrong.....
     
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    http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/the-cagw-handbook.582955/page-2#post-1072343065
     
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    His post is dead on arrival, can't see an actual counterpoint in it, my post remains unchallenged.
     
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    Well, technically, of course, they are right: the climate changed from wetter to drier, and then changed again from drier to wetter. It's just that climatology has become so corrupted by anti-fossil-fuel hysteria that the term "climate change" is now dog-whistle for "fossil fuel use."
     
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    I was replying to YOUR statement from post 21 where you write:

    NASA article I posted says you are in error, here is the FIRST paragraph:

    "From a quarter to half of Earth’s vegetated lands has shown significant greening over the last 35 years largely due to rising levels of atmospheric carbon dioxide, according to a new study published in the journal Nature Climate Change on April 25"

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    If you were not so lazy you would have seen the chart in the link showing the decline in rain forests in small areas (15% decline levels) easily counterbalanced by large wholesale increase (25% levels) of greening in many areas..

    red bolding mine.
     
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    Once more for the cheap seats.....volume is NOT the same as a diverse forests that deal with th earths carbon and oxygen exchange The different types of forests: everything you need to know (zmescience.com)

    your "greening" is NOT affecting the biosphere the way the depleted forests did. As one of my links showed, it's not just quantifying ratios of carbon that denies climate change. Here, read this CAREFULLY AND COMPREHENSIVELY....AGAIN: Wondering Why Deforestation Is a Problem? Here Are the Facts (greenmatters.com)

    Hopefully, it'll sink in this time.
     
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    Huh?? So what if it's not the same? Why is sameness a goal? People dying of heart disease in their 90s is not the same as people dying of smallpox in their teens. Does that mean we should not have eradicated smallpox??? Give your head a shake.

    <yawn> OK, now please explain how that relates to the goal of enabling as many people as possible to live as well as possible.

    Thought not.
    SO FRICKIN' WHAT??? Who cares if it's different, if there is no reason to think it isn't better?
    "Denies climate change"?? Thanks for demonstrating false, absurd, disingenuous, anti-science CAGW propaganda again. I think we have the idea, now.

    <yawn> Nope. Still the same irrelevant preservationist nonsense...
    :lol: That's just another false, absurd, disingenuous, anti-science CAGW propaganda trick: repeating irrelevant or already-refuted "arguments" under the pretense that they must not have "sunk in" the first time -- or the first 100. Sorry, no, still garbage the 101st time.
     
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    You have no idea what my background is, I have a FFA certificate, Tree Stewardship certificate and for a time a state observer of special trees program, looking for the largest of unusual trees to document and preserve.

    Here in America Deforestation has stopped in 1910, it has been around the 745 million acres level ever since.

    He is a typical dishonest warmist/alarmists who keep saying you deny climate change, it is a dumb statement because nowhere have I done so in his presence. It is part of the propaganda nonsense they repeat over and over, many of them also say to me that I deny warming, despite that I have many time showed evidence of warming all the way back to the late 1600's, mid 1800's, even used Dr. Jones BBC interview to show that several warming decadal trends back to the mid 1800's are very similar.

    Old growth forest and rainforest are insignificant absorber of CO2 because their growth rate is way down over time.

    From this LINK,

    red bolding mine
     
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    I could care less about your pedigree, because you're just regurgitating the same selective, blinders wearing mantras that the oil industry has sponsored for the past few decades.

    Again, let me dumb it down for you...your "studies" leave out few details....claiming deforestation stopped because LAWS were passed in 1910 is somewhat misleading, private ownership still allowed for commercial use. (page 63 to 74) Long-term Historical Changes in the Forest Resource, Study Paper 10 (unece.org)
    Then there's the little thing of acid rain which everyone thinks just disappeared. Have We Passed the Acid Test? - The New York Times (nytimes.com)

    And you keep laboring under the misconception that "greening" brings back the EXACT eco-system that effects water, wildlife, etc. As my links showed, it doesn't.

    Yes, strides have been made in the USA, but we STILL have problems. And the USA is NOT indicative of the rest of the world that we do business with. Your last paragraph is essentially supposition and conjecture.
     
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    You have a bad habit of posting insulting replies, you once again fail to address what I posted in detail, mainly because you have no answer to them.

    You apparently made up your mind about me because a lot of what you posted are lies, such as my using oil industry talking points, that you think I claim a 100% recovery on the biota of the system that have been disturbed by deforestation and other damages, that is another one of your lies. Then you suddenly bring up Acid Rain a problem greatly magnified by politics, now you stray off topic since I have been responding correctly that the world is greening up, something YOU keep resisting by shifting to something else.

    Your ignorance is exposed when you state that this below is supposition and conjecture, but this is 101 stuff that people like me know the fact that young and fast growing plants absorb a lot more CO2 than aging old growth does.

    LINK

    "Old growth forest and rainforest are insignificant absorber of CO2 because their growth rate is way down over time."

    Better if you stop the condescending insulting replies......
     
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    False. He has posted peer-reviewed research.
    Where did he make that claim?

    Ignoratio elenchi fallacy.

    Trying to change the subject.
    Blatant strawman fallacy. He said no such thing, as whether the ecosystem is exactly the same is completely irrelevant.
    This, from you??? :lol:
     
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    Perhaps more importantly, a mature forest is more or less at carbon equilibrium, where the carbon taken up by photosynthesis is almost entirely balanced by carbon released by the decay of dead trees. The carbon sequestered by permanent addition of organic matter to the soil is extremely small in the forest's overall carbon budget. Permanent carbon sequestration is almost all effected by shellfish, not forests.
     
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    Just more content-free denial.
     
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    Thank you for admitting you have no counterpoint to the article, it must really irritate you to fail so easily.

    This chart had you running away?

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    8)
     
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    So you have no facts or logic to offer in response to the latest boulder on the growing mountain of evidence that increased atmospheric CO2 has not contributed significantly to the natural return to more normal Holocene temperatures following the coldest 500-year period in the last 10,000 years. OK, no surprises there. But in addition, you apparently don't know what Astroturf means. It denotes simulated grassroots support via large-scale coordinated activity on fake social media accounts.
     
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    The one where everyone mainly rants about how much they hate liberals. It's a kook right-wing political site that dabbles in pseudoscience.

    AHAHAHHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA.

    We used to have competitions to see who could get banned there the fastest by talking sense.

    Which is why they get laughed out of the room if they leave their heavily censored SafeSpace.

    Like I said, the greening stopped in the 1990s. NASA doesn't contradict me there. They went back 35 years from 2016, which takes you to 1981.

    https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/earth-stopped-getting-greener-20-years-ago/
     
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    Your prejudice is your prison.
     
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    New Study: Rising CO2 Drives Post-1980s Greening…Which Cools The Earth And Offsets 29% Of Human Emissions
    By Kenneth Richard on 6. August 2020

    About 70% of the Earth’s post-1980s vegetative greening trend has been driven by CO2 fertilization. More greening has offset or reversed 29% of recent anthropogenic CO2 emissions. Greening also has a net cooling effect on surface temperatures. Earlier this year we highlighted a study (Haverd et al., 2020) asserting rising CO2 and warming are the […]

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    Earth Is Greening Due To Rising CO2…A Growing Greening Sink Offsets 17 Years Of Equivalent CO2 Emissions By 2100
    By Kenneth Richard on 19. March 2020

    A new study finds rising CO2 concentrations (and warming) have driven the rapid increase in Earth’s photosynthesis processes, or greening. CO2-induced planetary greening leads to an enormous expansion of Earth’s carbon sink. By 2100 this greening-sink effect will offset 17 years of equivalent human CO2 emissions. This easily supersedes the effect of Paris Agreement CO2 […]

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    New Paper: CO2 Rise + Warming Are 91% Responsible For The Earth’s Accelerated Greening Trend Since 1990
    By Kenneth Richard on 12. August 2019

    Satellite observations indicate the Earth has become much greener in recent decades. According to scientists, the overwhelming majority of the “significant increases in tropical forests and the forests of North America, Eurasia, and China” since the early 1990s can be attributed to the combination of CO2 fertilization (56%) and climate change (35%). Image Source: O’Sullivan […]

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    New Study: The Recent CO2 Increase Has Had An Even Greater Earth-Greening Impact Than Previously Thought
    By Kenneth Richard on 22. April 2019

    The Earth has been rapidly greening in recent decades, and CO2 fertilization may explain 70% of the trend (Zhu et al., 2016). A new study finds models have significantly underestimated the greening effect of rising CO2. Image Source: Winkler et al., 2019 CO2 is a pollutant? In recent years, carbon dioxide (CO2), an essential ingredient […]
     
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    That claim is objectively false. You make a lot of objectively false claims.
    That claim is objectively false, as anyone who reads a sample of the material there can verify for themselves. You make a lot of objectively false claims.
    That claim is objectively false. You make a lot of objectively false claims.
    That claim is objectively false. You make a lot of objectively false claims.
    That claim is objectively false, as I already proved to you.

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/trevornace/2019/02/28/nasa-says-earth-is-greener-today-than-20-years-ago-thanks-to-china-india/?sh=68b122cd6e13

    You make a lot of objectively false claims.
    That claim is objectively false. You make a lot of objectively false claims.

    NASA does contradict you:
    https://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard/2016/carbon-dioxide-fertilization-greening-earth

    The article you linked to is not from NASA, but from SciAm, a pathetic and disgraceful woke shadow of its once-great self that is fully married to CAGW nonscience.
     
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    Mamooth writes a bunch of unsupported claims:

    No they hardly mention liberals there, beside how could you know? YOU never post or even visit there.

    Suuure you do, even when you never visit or post there, I know how many got banned there in the last 3 1/2 years I have been a Moderator, I know you don't have a clue whatsoever.....

    Suuure, if your delusions tells you that fiction, yet I KNOW YOU are never there, never post to find out.... you talk big but never show the evidence that it is heavily censored. I have DEFENDED several AGW believers a number of times, mainly with Fred250 who is an actual scientist, but has a big temper and goes over the line from time to time when he replies to AGW believers.

    No YOU have no idea what is going on there since you never visit or post there, I do as one of the Moderators who visit the blog several times a day.

    I am still a Moderator there (even post a few times there, currently I have about 1,200 comments there back to 2008), why don't you come on down and take a chance, tell me before you comment there so I know who you are.

    I see that Jack has addressed your strange link with 4 fresh published science papers none more than 1 year old that demolished that claim you linked to. Meanwhile NASA map still thinks that it has been Greening up to year 2015:

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    You never read my link did you?

    I KNOW you didn't read your own link which is a really bad bit of science. The abstract is really bad!
     
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