More than half of Americans want President Trump out of the office before inauguration day

ABC News/Ipsos poll finds that majority fault Trump for rioting in D.C.

Apparently most aren't buying the bs that 'dems stole the election'.

https://www.ipsos.com/en-us/news-polls/abc-news-rioting-democracy-011021

Over half of Americans believe Donald Trump should be removed from office before his term ends as two-thirds give him a good amount of the blame for the rioting that occurred in Washington, D.C. this week. This comes as less than a third of Americans trust Trump to protect democracy in the United States. However, America remains divided as only half of the country trusts Joe Biden to protect democracy in the U.S.

The majority of the American public (56%) says that Donald Trump should be removed from office before his term ends.

• Two-thirds (67%) say the President deserves a good amount (15%) or a great deal (52%) of the blame for the riots in Washington, D.C.

 

1. With the media flooding the airwaves with fake news, the low info people probably believe that fake news.

2. Trump is not to blame for the peaceful protests

3. Does anyone believe anything the MSN says these days? My ex said polls put out by newspapers and radio and tv stations are the types of polls where you tell them what you want then they'll hand you a poll verifying what you want.

4. Two thirds???/ That's laughable, almost as laughable as Chairman Joe getting 80 million votes.

 

Trump is absolutely the reason for the treason.

http://www.politicalforum.com/index...wers-to-riot-argument.583847/#post-1072376653

Although Trump didn't specifically tell anyone to commit illegal acts, he does bear responsibility, not all of it, but most of it. Just do a 'but for'. But for Trump, there would have been no siege. Of course, not all 'but for(s)" prove the case, but, given the totality of the facts, they do here.

It boils down to the fact that the engine of the juggernaut that charged the capitol was rage over the act that they believed Democrats stole the election. So, that's where the 'but for' goes, i.e., but for their belief the election was stolen, they wouldn't have charged the capitol building BECAUSE they were trying to 'take back' what they 'believed was theirs' that 'democrats stole from them'.

But for that one fact, 5 people who died or were murdered would still be alive.

Trump is a special case, as President of the United States, his words matter, carry far more weight than that of your average citizen. Therefore his speech, whereupon he told a lie that 'dems stole the election' (because 60 lawsuits failed to prove that contention) over and over and over at all of his rallies (numerous every month of the year ) for a number of months, such that when they did charge the Capitol, they shouted 'stop the steal' 'hang pence' 'find Pelosi' that what was driving their rage to the point of a juggernaut was the lie that Democrats stole the election, and filled with this rage, they decided to do something about it, they made that decision on January 6, after Eric told them "we are coming for you" and Giuliani shouted "trial by combat" and Trump asserted (paraphrased) 'march on Washington, and we must take back our country, we can't be weak", and when they did something about it, all of which can be likened to a volcano about to erupt, which did finally erupt, he whipped his flock up to a frenzy, driven by 'stop the steal' all it took was being whipped up to a frenzy, it didn't really matter if Trump actually said 'take the capitol building' or not, because, given the entirety of the message, evidenced by the 'stop the steal' mantra over a period of months, that is what they heard, which resulted in 5 people were killed, many were injured, property was damaged, and Pelosi's computer was stolen. All of his speech, deeds, taken as a whole, there is a solid ( not air tight, but solid ) argument that he committed sedition, and that argument can, and probably will, at some point, be argued in a court of a law, and I hope the government prevails against Trump, because justice matters. This is a big deal, and in historical terms, the only thing I can think of that was a bigger deal was Pearl Harbor.

 

I lean towards the good amount in that Trump was the catalyst(as your excellent 'but for' illustrates). At the same time after cooling down however 1)Going by my own moral code of self responsibility they marched in on their own. 2) The legal case of insurrection/sedition isn't air tight as you pointed out. Due to those factors, Trump is scum but I wanna calm down rhetoric.

 

I believe he has criminal exposure. Glenn Kirshner explains it best. Trump used the crowd as a weapon to do his bidding.

 

I think Mcconnell should do a straight up and down vote on guilty / not guilty. There's no need to create a spectacle of it. Now's the time to defuse not escalate.

 

I kind of agree as we don’t need a divisive event that will satisfy no one but on the other hand I don’t mind bleeding the Biden agenda of oxygen for as long as possible during his first 100 days..