So, you say you are a born again, evangelical Christian

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    dgrichards Well-Known Member

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    I respect that, and the work you do in spreading the good news, and your work with Christian charities. You also belong to or support organizations which describe themselves, in some manner, as Christian, evangelical organizations, and I have to admit that I approve of much of the work they do. Here is the sticking point for me. These same organizations have just doubled down on their support of president Trump. How does one hold these Christian values and at the same time support this vile, immoral, corrupt occupant of the white house. I don't see how you can do that. Can you help me out here?
     
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    This is pretty simple when your opponent is attempting to force queer indoctrination into your schools, is promoting transgenderism, is demonizing Christians, is censoring Christians and is promoting CRT which has a genocidal view of Christianity. I have listened to black conservatives on youtube and it is my conviction that the openly anti-Christian moves on the left resulted in the historically large latino and black vote for Trump. As the left increases cultural power and becomes increasingly oppressive to Christianity, there is a non-zero chance that they will push even more blacks and latinos to vote Republican. It is more likely their concurrent demonization of white people will counter that.
     
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    Wow! OK, blacks and latinos frighten you. IMHO, that is mostly because you are isolated from these communities, either by accident or design. It also appears to me that you have limited news sources, and I would suspect that Fox, Hannity, and Limbaugh loom large as significant sources of your world view. I don't believe that you can point to one credible instance of democrats trying to force "queer", and it is very telling that you would use that word, indoctrination into your schools. We are not promoting transgenderism other than trying to get your side to quit using them for target practice and footballs. Nor are we anti Christian. We are against violence and blatant discrimination directed at those you see as different, whether they be transgender, homosexual, black, or latino. My reading of the bible tells me that that is the proper stance, whether one is a Christian or not. You obviously disagree, so I ask the question again: how can you hold these values and still claim to be a "born again, evangelical Christian"?. I just don't see it.
     
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    Simple. Abortion issue.
     
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    Cool, find that passage in the bible were abortion is addressed......I'll wait
     
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    "Thou Shalt Not Murder".
     
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    OK, I gotta defend him him on this point. Abortion is a legitimate reason if you belong to the "right to life" camp to be anti democrat, although one would hope that reasoning went beyond single issue. And truth be told, most americans are in favor of unlimited abortion on demand. After 50 years, Roe v Wade is still a thorny subject, so I think we give Dayton3 a pass on this one, limited point. As to the rest of the issues addressed, and which he apparently supports, HOGWASH1
     
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    Well, now we get into the whole when does life start issue. And that, my friends, is a whole different kettle of fish!
     
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    Your opinion is noted. Here is a photo my son going to prom with his two best friends (who basically lived at my house for four straight years). Would you like to do some more speculation about my motivations and my life experience?
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    PS: I redpilled both of these fine young men. I turned them on to several prominent conservative youtubers. You are looking at three Trump voters.
     
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    Since speaking of something is now “indoctrination”, how do you feel about states pushing to have religious studies in school or private schools taking federal money while also being centered around religious teaching?

    So you will support a man that is the antithesis to what the Bible proclaims in order to fight against something that was added to the Bible by transcribers (homosexuality), never in the Bible (transsexuality), and something that isn’t happening (censoring Christians)?

    The only issue many have with “christians” is that y’all believe others should be forced to abide by your chosen religious preferences.

    Also strange that you intersect the Christian religion — which was about brown people — with the demoralization of white people. Very strange.
     
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    Which one is your son?
     
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    Mexicans, the Hispanic people who populate the Southwestern United States are among the most religious people in the country. But their Catholicism is of a different flavor as it blends in previously held beliefs and customs of the native people. Their unique culture often centers around the neighborhood Catholic Church. Having lived much of my life in Colorado, it often occurred to me that the Hispanics tended to vote Democratic because Republicans tended to say rather hateful things about Hispanics. This was made doubly so once the Democrats, beginning in the sixties, began purging the party of racists, who then migrated to the Republican Party.

    Somewhere in the neighborhood of three fourths of the citizens of the United States claim some level of belief in the Christian faith. But only about a quarter of them fall under the heading of Evangelical. It is the Evangelicals who make up the core of the Trump’s base.

    It isn’t so much Christianity, as you know, Pelosi and Biden are both devout Catholics, as it is the toxicity of Evangelical Christianity.

    I don’t know where you get the idea that the Left is anti-White when the brightest blue oases in the US are some of the Whitest places in the country. The birthplace of liberalism and where it thrives to the greatest extent is in Northern Europe, the Whitest place on the planet.

    If you could step outside of your blind hatred for the inferior Black and Latino races and the disgusting homosexuals, you would see that the core of the Democratic Party, the core of liberal thought, are Whites who are your superiors, who do not believe in your silly god.
     
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    Are they all homosexuals? And you welcomed them into your home. How open minded and kind of you. Even fed them indoctrination to change their ways for the better. What a thoughtful person you must be.
     
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    It has nothing to do with when life begins. Abortion is a constitutional right and thus can not be murder.
     
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    Funny, Biden is a Catholic, so, why would he demonize Christians (he hasn't)? If you look at actions instead of words, Biden is more of a Christian than Trump.
     
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    If you want to look to elites for moral guidance, that is your prerogative. I tend to believe they are all sociopathic scumbags from whom I would never take any moral guidance from whatsoever. With the elites, the only thing I care about is whether they do things that positively impact my life or negatively impact my life. I will always support the ones that I believe harm me the least.
     
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    How about you tell us more about your own racial superiority? Here is your opinion on race:
    The words you spoke above could have been spoken by a white nationalist. Hell this is exactly what Adolf Hitler believed, he wrote all about it in Mein Kempf.
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    http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/truck-drivers-say-they-won’t-deliver-to-cities-with-defunded-police-departments.573957/page-3#post-1071783910
     
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    C'mon, while I may agree with you, this is still a hot button issue and not what this thread is about, thus the whole new kettle of fish.
     
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    You're just being mean. You can argue and advance your position without the nastiness.
     
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    And you support Trump? Seriously? Just asking.
     
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    No, I think I am pretty close to on point, given the tone and tenor of your initial response on this thread. Typically Trumpian, typically at odds with Christian values.
     
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    I have long noticed something about White Supremacists. That is they tend to not be all that White. You would think that with blonde haired blue eyed pale white skinned people being the superior race and all, that the skin heads and such groups would be full of blonde haired, blue eyed, pale skinned individuals. But no. We see mostly green and brown eyed brunettes. Most of the blonde haired women are not natural. I read an article awhile back, about how many mixed raced individuals overly identified with their white part, while ignoring the other parts. I think that has something to do with why they now identify as Christian Nationalists. Of course this is funny for what it reveals.

    When one studies the history of Europe before the creation of the United States, one sees a continual struggle between the fair haired people of the North and the dark haired people of the Mediterranean. Christianity was the religion of the Mediterranean, but not of the North where Odin reigned supreme. It was the people of the North who stopped the Roman Empire. It was the people from the North who raided then eventually liberalized Europe, and by extension, the United States.

    It is why I find conservative beliefs to be so off. It seems to me that a great many of conservatives, or at least Republican voters tend to equate liberalism with poor Black and Brown people. But liberalism is a White ideology. It attracts minorities of every kind because it is based on the idea that all people should be treated with equality and fairness.

    American conservatism seems to be shrinking to little more than older White middle class blue collar workers, a minority.
     
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    Did he not begin his rant in this thread by complaining about queer indoctrination? It was a fifty fifty pick. Was he talking about his projected racism or his projected homophobia? Or both? Which was he defending?
     
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