Did Covid cost Trump election?

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Did covid cost Donald Trump the election?

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  2. Probably

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  3. Maybe

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  4. Impossible to say

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  5. Unlikely

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  6. Probably not

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  7. Definitely not.

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  1. Reasonablerob

    Reasonablerob Well-Known Member

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    My own opinion is that it probably did, prior to it the economy was going great guns and he looked like a shoe-in. Covid wrecked the economy, mail in voting favoured the DNC (not just in terms of fraud which was probably a negligible factor but in terms of voter turnout), Trump couldn't have the big rallies which he was so good at and it gave an excuse for Joe Biden to hide in his cellar whilst the normal campaign trail would have killed him and forced him to answer more awkward questions. It also allowed the DNC to pick fault with Trump's response to the crisis although to judge by some of the records of some of the DNC politicians it's hard to see how they would have done any better?
     
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    COVID didn’t, his mismanagement and stance of “I take no responsibility” did.

    A leader’s greatest challenge is not when they have inherited a good economy and make it slightly better by spending a trillion dollars of taxpayer funds but when a major crisis hits. This is what he was rightfully judged on.

    He was a failure when it mattered
     
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    He won in a landslide. He knows it and so do many of his supporters. Saying a thing often enough doesn't make it true and it isn't going to ever be accepted by millions here in America. We saw it, we gave the evidence to courts...THEY REFUSED to even look at it. America will never have another free election again and once enough people realize this, America will also fall into chaos. Those who imagine this will all pass and everything will go back to "normal", are just kidding themselves.
     
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    Self-fulling prophesy ... MAGA people so concerned about Democrats burning down America that they burned it down first ...

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    Covid is likely to be remembered as the greatest accidental gift to a single political party in the history of Mankind, the Democrats and their "media" allies adroitly milked it for every drop of political advantage to be had without having to offer a single alternative response, just finger point and shriek 24/7.
     
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    I'm glad to see that you agree the Republicans 24/7 shrieking about Benghazi and Hillary's emails was milked adroitly for every drop
    of political advantage and that then Democrats used the same tactics on Trump.
     
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    Maybe for those who swallowed Biden's lies about it.
     
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    Wait the left laughs at and dismisses his taking responsibility for the not hitting 2,500,000 deaths with the new treatments we have and the vaccines they scoffed at and made fun of him for saying we would have them by this time then you claim he takes no responsibility.
     
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    I think so.

    Trump has been totally unsuitable to manage the sanitary crisis.
    Without Covid-19 he was going to win the elections without great troubles [economy was running, the wall was growing ... US was avoiding wars around the world as possible ...]. But SARS-Cov-2 is probably a Democrat virus [this was viral satire ...].

    The leaving President hasn't been able to lead the country through such a tragedy. To be fair Fauci and the other experts haven't helped him so much. And the WHO made a so incredible confusion that to take the right decisions wasn't that easy. Anyway a minimum level of response was expected. The White House did only a little [recently, just here, I've discovered that there have been aids for persons without health insure. This is really positive]. Not enough to affect the pace of the pandemic which has gone out of control in US.

    The electorate lives of perceptions. The Covid-19 crisis, with its economical negative fallout has persuaded a good part of the electors that it was time to change President.

    So yes, Covid-19 has defeated Trump, not Biden ...
     
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    I claimed that was what he said
    You understand what quotation marks mean, yes?
     
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    Another lesson in irony.
     
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    I think the extent of the defeat can be directly linked to his utter incompetent handling of Covid.

    If it wasn't for that I think the election would have been a lot closer. Assuming of course that no other gigantic clustermuck happened to demonstrate his lack of leadership skills in a crisis last year.
     
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    Actually he did take responsibilty and instituted Operation Warp Speed and spoke of it and it's success constantly.
     
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    Really ? Seems to be a habit with republicans. Pandemics, 9/11, recessions.....3 wars. All happen by accident because repos can’t take responsibility. They always complain about gov. being inept and when ever they gain control, they prove it.
     
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    Warp speed ? Try warped brain. They’re way behind by their own numbers (20 million inoculated by January...) with thousands dead needlessl.
     
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    Warp speed sounds good.......but it’s just a fallacy. We’ve seen NOTHING here outside of the hospitals. People are dying at new record rates DAILY.
     
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    Operation warp speed was two parts. One a vaccine the other the deliver. Trump taking credit for half a job is typical, especially if its other people doing the work.


    And I suppose you don't recall when he said way back when, if the death toll was kept under 200,000 he would consider his handling of the pandemic a success. Gee like just about every damn statement he has made about the corona virus he was full of crap. But trumpists believed him because masks are uncomfortable.
     
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    Ah, you mean like the vaccine? That was developed in another nation? And was researched or advanced by the warp speed program in any way?

    So he took responsibility by taking credit for others work?
    Interesting
     
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    COVID-19 itself didn't. It was Trump's response to it and his attitude that did. Even though his administration did some good things, he himself walked to a different tune, often at odds with what his own administration and other experts, were saying. He was unprofessional, amateurish, chaotic. These were all things that were under his own control that he could have changed at any time, regardless of what the virus was doing.

    COVID didn't cost him the election. He lost it himself because he is a man who was unequipped to handle the matter and had no interest in learning.
     
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    And he continues to be a failure in that regard as is evidenced by his lying about the vaccine stockpile.
     
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    Once again, blame for something he had no control over was pointed at Trump.
    Trump attempted to stop travel between the USA and China back in late 2019, but the Dems threw another one of their famous toddler tantrums and refused to restrict travel.

    Then, all of a sudden in February, they are seemingly all flabbergasted that theres cases of COVID showing up in the USA, and then start demanding something be done! ROFL!! Wow, Dems hypocrisy is just beyond ludicrous.
     
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    Covid did not cost Trump the election, how can a hoax cost you an election? How about gross incompetence?!!

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    For the record, I don't believe Joe Biden would have done any better at stopping the spread of Covid.

    That aside, I supported Trump, but I predicted his loss in the general election before Covid hit us. I felt that his personal style energized the Democrats, and alienated enough of the all-important Independent vote that he would not win.
     
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    Yeah, he shouldn't be blamed for his repeated claim of HOAX, his refusal to follow simple precautions, his foreknowlege of its lethality but his fear of causing panic, his inability to create national coordinated vaccination strategy, his constant pushing of quack cures.

    Even by his own measure he is an utter failure. But of course you forget when he said tha he will consider the battle against covid to be a success if the death toll is under 200,000. So by his own words his crisis management is a failure. But don't believe him, afterall, he isn't responsible for anything.
     
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    Our nation and some of those with their foreign divisions too SO WHAT? He lampooned by the Democrats and the MSM for even suggesting we would even be close at this time call delusional and deraigned and yes LYING.
     

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