Did Covid cost Trump election?

Even a friggin broken clock is right twice a day.

You are right. Nobody thought it would be possible, but I have to agree with you that when the most powerful people in the world turn in concert to solve an immediate global crisis, all norms are off the table. Awesome demonstration of the power of medical science and technology and its promise for the future.

But man. its a pretty small peg to hang the hat on, when it comes to evaluating Trump's leadership in the war against the pandemic.

 

Lesson 1. Courts don't look at evidence until a case is accepted as having merit and the hearing commences.
Lesson 2. Before that happens there are initial proceedings to determine whether a case has merit. In many instances Trumps court cases were found to be so lacking in merit they never go to the stage where evidence would be heard.
Lesson 3. In the majority of cases brought before the the courts by Trump the issue of contention wasn't an accusation of voter fraud instead the key issues were technical, relating to matters around how polling officials in specific States and Counties interpreted their local electoral laws and questioning whether they followed appropriate procedures i.e. did they do their job properly. None of those cases heard evidence about fraud because that was not the issue being contested and Trump lost ALL of them.
Lesson 4. Where in a minority of cases allegations of fraud were a key element of the case raised by Trump opening arguments and reading of the the initial statements produced by Tump's lawyers and representatives of the States concerned saw such cases quickly dismissed. In other words the Courts found the States evidence and arguments so compelling and Trumps 'evidence' so lacking in weight that the judge saw no need to here further evidence or call witnesses before dismissing the case.
Lesson 5. In each and every case the Court concerned applied exactly the same rules they would apply if you were charged with a crime and appearing before them as the accused. Those same rules protect you and every other Trump supporter from false accusations of wrongdoing and no-one, NO-ONE gets to cherry pick when and for who those rules apply. Not you, not me, not Donald Trump.

Finally Trump has a long history as a litigant in the US Court System in disputes going back long before he became President. Some of those disputes he lost. But some, indeed many he won - because the evidence presented and legal arguments made on his behalf were found to have merit. These cases didn't. So as much as you dislike it the Courts aren't 'picking' on poor Donald nor are they conspiring against him, they're just doing their job.

 

you saw nothing but bullshit. you've drunk the koolaid and are supporting an insurrectionist oath breaking president. And yes it will get back to normal because trump has blown himself up, exposed the racist totalitarian nature of MAGA. Hatriots masquerading as patriots.

Grape or fruit punch?

 

Unfortunately for Trump, he was relying on that dimwitted traitor troll Fauci, who never stated the same thing twice! Every day it was a completely different opinion on everything!

Fauci is a hard core Democrat, got his job thru Democratic nepotism, and is stupider than Biden! Like 99% of the Dems in office, they've locked themselves into their positions, siphoning billions of dollars from taxpayers over the decades for their illegal and unconstitutional private agendas and bank accounts.

Any president is only as good as the reliable information he gets from the people who are supposed to support him in office.
But Trump was pushing buttons and draining stagnant puddles of putrid, corrupt Dems. Trump is a businessman and he promised to clean up and run the government like a business, not a personal ATM like the Dems have been doing for decades.

And unlike the Dems, Trump has kept his promise! He's been using business tactics to get rid of the trolls and ogres in political offices, and it worked. Unfortunately he needed more time to get rid of the top tier levels of the troll nation, such as Pelosi and her cronies.

 

No, they just tried to burn down the deM of vipers.

 

Did Covid cost Trump election?
His manner of dealing with it was the single biggest contributor to the election of the duopoly's "other" candidates.

 

Hatriots tried to burn down american democracy. didn't know Mike Pence was a dem viper, but they sure wanted to hang him.

 

this has got to be a POE. You can't possibly be serious. Oh, wait, of course you can and you are.

Trump delusion syndrome is characterized by excessive dunning kruger, extreme confirmation bias, gullibility and the need to blame everyone else for Donnie Peach's incompetence, corruption and bigotry.

 

I agree, and I voted "probably" also. Many Americans simply believed that Trump was supposed to somehow be able to pull a vaccine 'out of his ass' on Day #1. But, as thinking people know, medical research doesn't really work that way.

Nevertheless, radical Democrats hammered away, night and day, with the completely false nonsense that he could have done it faster and better, even though the rollout of our vaccines was achieved FAR more rapidly than any had ever been done in the history of vaccines.

It's funny, really. Stupid, gullible people actually believed the Democrats -- who at the same time were obstructing Trump's efforts to get them 'rescue' money as we got closer and closer to the election. Anyway, it's all 'water under the bridge' now, and fortunately for me, it's 'no skin off my ass'....

I never was a great Trump fan, especially on matters involving the economy -- but I'd still take him over Hillary or ol' Joe. I doubt I'll be a fan of Biden, either, judging from what we can already see in his Cabinet appointments. So when you mash all the bullshit out of it, for a lot of us middle-class Conservatives, it won't make a ton of difference for a while... everything will remain much the same, and then slowly make various stupid turns for the worse.... And in 10 years, when the Russians and Chinese take over the world, it will all be over for us (although we'll still be fighting our insane political 'trench warfare').

 

Arguably the COVID driven no reason mail-in voting damaged him, but ultimately it felt like Trump was going out of his way in the last month before the election to keep himself embroiled in controversy based on his own stupid statements. I am not sure he really wanted to win again.

 

Geez! Talk about projecting your problems onto someone else!! WOOOOOOO!!!!
Wouldn't ever DARE think a Dem would do otherwise, since this is their forte'.

 

Dems cleaning up the messes left behind by the never-right is an American tradition lol

 

his response to the virus was to listen to his now disowned son-in-law how it would only effect blue States
then he said it was just another Dem hoax
the virus was the biggest of the many reasons why he wasn't able to overcome his toxic self and beat sleepy

 

Trumps prerogative of being wrong all the time is driven by opening up the economy too early and too aggressively which he did for one reason only. He is trying to save his businesses in his hotels, golf courses and resorts, most of which are going under. Trump is set to get relief big time and the tax payers will support his killing ways.

 

Everything was done to increase business in his own properties. There was no magic formula to save anyone’s life. It was ALL to increase his wealth. Until everyone owns up to his obsession to pass Putin as one of the wealthiest men on earth, we’ll keep misjudging this crook. Geesus, even now, he’s selling pardons.

 

And worse yet, he has allies from the most unusual places....Comey recommends that Biden pardons Trump. Hilly was right about Comey. He’s a D bag out to sell books and a true conservative brand protector. If Biden ever does this, the black vote will be gone for good. Just another white privileged crook getting away with murder while the poor languish in jail for smoking and dealing with a legal substance, pot.
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/james-comey-biden-should-pardon-trump_n_600066bac5b66f3f79649797

 

I was expecting to see a lot more " definitely not" votes.
I couldn't have been the virus because the election was stolen right ???

 

"Everything was done to increase business in his own properties."

I'm usually fairly good at being able to express my thoughts and impressions, but the fathomless ignorance and festering, groundless hatred in sentences like the one above, and the post it is embedded in, leave even me speechless....

I'll close by asking you as question, straight up: When, in the history of all vaccines, was a vaccine ever developed more rapidly than these vaccines were for COVID-19? It's not a trick question....

 

Naïveté seems to be a common trait among Humper’s. Carry on with your blather and made up stuff. . Trump cares nothing beyond being rich. You think the vaccine was deployed quickly because of Trump ? It was developed first overseas. The distribution is horrible according to Pence’s own bragging. Get a clue.

 

if the Left are snowflakes why do we never see their detractors face legit facts and questions in true debate, instead we get ...white flags?
the the most minimally effective dose was rushed out without follow up manufacturing, now all States are suffering shortages
many States are also at 2000% capacity with people dying in waiting rooms and hallways cos he made America great again lol

 

Yes: COVID is why the massive fraud prone mail in vote, plus all the fearmongering, which is quickly being reversed

WITH BIDEN COMING IN, IT’S TIME TO START WALKING BACK THE COVID FEAR: The Future of the Coronavirus? An Annoying Childhood Infection.

 

Ah, but wait! In less than two days now, dear St. Joseph will ascend into the Oval Office and everything will improve tremendously, as if by magic!
Just tune in to your local network-affiliated "news" network... they'll be happy to fill you in and spread the good news!

 

oh looky! you dodged true debate again to spew more desperation. please, never stop telling us America is happy again lol

 

I have a great deal of respect for your opinions, especially about economic matters.

One other thing concerns me now -- One person in every eight who have recovered from the virus DIED a short time afterward in a UK study that is being announced now:

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/one-eight-covid-patients-dying-23336940
https://www.rt.com/uk/512913-covid-survivors-rehospitalized-study/
https://www.newsmax.com/headline/coronavirus-recovered-patients-death/2021/01/18/id/1006076/

 

That just sucks. I'm very sorry to hear that, and I had not heard of it previously. Thanks for posting it.

Personally, I'm following the protocols, isolating carefully and missing my extended family more than I know how to describe.

One thing that jumps out is that these are serious cases where they were hospitalized, which would include President Trump.

Long Covid fears as one in eight 'recovered' patients die within 140 days, study finds

Research by the University of Leicester and the Office for National Statistics (ONS) found that 29.4 percent of discharged Covid patients are readmitted within five months, while tragically 12.3 per cent die after suffering complications.

Just awful.

Another thing: I bet our projections for hospital bed capacity doesn't include the expectation that 30% of the discharged are going to return over the next 140 days.

"Scientists found a rise in people suffering heart problems, diabetes and chronic liver and kidney conditions after battling Covid-19."

I've heard that the smart move, even after a case that didn't require hospitalization, is a baby aspirin regimen, followed by a long slow tapering off period.

I'm not in a demographic that has the choice of vaccination at the moment, but, if the vaccine appears to be fairly safe by the time they get to me, it's indications like this that will make me more likely to get it.