We're already seeing signs of unintended side effects and dangers from the vaccine

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  1. Well Bonded

    Well Bonded Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    An uninfected carrier, that's rich.
     
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    Hmm. I believe you mean someone made the point you could be carrying around Covid 19 and passing it to others without knowing you have the illness and so if you wore a mask it might help prevent spreading it. From the sounds of it that concept is hard for you to grasp.

    Achew. Does that help? Also wash your hands regularily if not for yourself others around you that you touch.

    Lol I know, you work at MacDonald's and regularly sneeze in the Big Macs. Oh I know what the sauce is made out of.
     
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    No sir. You are incorrect. What I stated is the truth. As is everything I post on C19. Just a heads up, I recommend mask usage to more people and in more places than any other PF member. I grasp concepts the premier “experts” on C19 can’t grasp.

    I raise your Big Mac. I deal with numerous respiratory viruses daily in about 15 species. Everything from prevention through management practices, to choosing and administration of vaccines, to choosing and administering treatments.
     
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    We do.
    But maybe you know of a study tat says everybody vaccinated can't catch it.
     
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    Well Bonded Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Then why take the risk of being vaccinated?
     
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    Well, lets see.
    The vaccine reduces my chance of catching it by 95%.
    Seems like a good idea to me.
    Bonus round; if enough people get it it will stop the spread.
     
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    Any proof to back up those specious claims?
     
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    Yeah, sorry to inform you, the claim from the vaccine manufacturer that it was "shown to be 95% effective" doesn't exactly necessarily translate into meaning that it will reduce your chance of catching it by 95%.

    To get into the details of why that's the case, that is a discussion for a different thread.

    For most of you who do not know, in biostatistics you have to be very very cautious about exactly what the meaning of numbers represents, and not jump to presumptions that one thing means or proves something else, even though many normal people might assume that.
     
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    Serious question of which I do not know the answer, any idea of the effectiveness of annual Flu vaccines?
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    This is just from memory, but I remember it being around 65 to 70%.

    If you want to go into more detail about, you'll have to start another thread.


    Also related thread for people to see:
    COVID Vaccine Adverse Reactions Are 50 Times Higher Than the Flu Shot
     
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    Quite true, but if a person nails a person with epinephrine and they, because of underlying conditions, then have a heart attack or stroke, would you want to be the person
    who killed them?

    Lets say you are a pharmacist, are you able to pull up that persons medical history, and all allergies?

    Not unless their doctor pushed that information to you pharmacy, which doesn't happen under HIPPA.

    So yes, you are not liable for any monetary amount of damages, but your unskilled actions just killed a person, are you willing to live with that?
     
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    THANK YOU for that information.
     
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    To be totally fair, we would expect the effectiveness of the Covid vaccine to be a little bit higher, since one of the main reasons the flu vaccine is less effective is that there are couple other viruses which can cause the flu, but are too diverse or not common enough for a vaccine to be pragmatically designed or able to protect against them.

    Ironically, it could be possible that the vaccine might be less effective in preventing infection in people who are not in the best health, and this could be the very same population group who is most at risk of dying if they catch the virus. We don't know if that is the case, however.
     
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    Let me think about that.....
    The person has underlying conditions, goes into anaphylactic shock....
    Absolutely.
     
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    I stand corrected if I misread your intent you and apologize.
     
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    No problem, I’m used to my posts on masks getting negative feedback. I do appreciate the apology.

    I draw the ire of maskers and anti maskers alike. It seems to be because I base my posts on actual evidence as opposed to left or right wing media narratives. It’s great. Instead of torquing off half the country, I get to torque off everyone!
     
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    I apologize to all for the numerous typos. I thought I had edited them out. I must not have entered the edited copy properly. I will find some specific neurological data on the concern about accumulation in the brain of the two kinds of mercury and what are in vaccines.
     
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    Your post sounds like an advertising brochure from a vaccine manufacturer. :angel:
     
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    I imagine you didn't click on the link. The articles referenced therein don't mention anyone getting a second dose, but the second article does mention what I imagine is an approximate amount of people who got a first dose- 25,000. Of the 20 people who died, 13 have been confirmed as having died due to the vaccine. From the second article:
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    Different symptoms
    As of 14 January, a total of 29 adverse reaction reports have been assessed after covid-19 vaccination. Of these, 21 are women and eight are men.
    14 of these were in the age group 80–89 years, and seven were over 90 years old. Four were aged 70-79 years and four were aged 18-69 years.

    13 of the reported reports had a fatal outcome, 9 had serious side effects and 7 are described as not serious side effects.

    The most commonly reported side effects are general symptoms, such as decreased general fever and general malaise, and injection site reactions. Gastrointestinal symptoms such as diarrhea, nausea and vomiting, and respiratory symptoms such as wheezing and coughing are also among the most commonly reported side effects.

    This is the first report on side effects from the Norwegian Medicines Agency, which will in future come with weekly side effect reports.
    **

    Source (in Norwegian, I used google translate):
    https://trondheim24.no/nyheter/legemiddelverket-har-sett-pa-13-dodsfall-i-etterkant-av-vaksinasjon/
     
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    COVID 19 is not political it is open to all human beings. If you get the vaccine and have an adverse reaction think what COVID19 will do to you. You might even have a worse reaction. Just something to think about.
     
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    There is evidence that the Covid 19 vaccines can actually make Covid 19 symptoms to be even worse. From an article on Mercola.com:
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    How COVID-19 Vaccine Can Destroy Your Immune System

    STORY AT-A-GLANCE
    • According to a study that examined how informed consent is given to COVID-19 vaccine trial participants, disclosure forms fail to inform volunteers that the vaccine might make them susceptible to more severe disease if they’re exposed to the virus
    • Previous coronavirus vaccine efforts — including those for SARS, MERS and RSV — have revealed a serious concern: The vaccines have a tendency to trigger antibody-dependent enhancement (ADE)
    • ADE means that rather than enhance your immunity against the infection, the vaccine actually enhances the virus’ ability to enter and infect your cells, resulting in more severe disease than had you not been vaccinated
    • Lethal Th2 immunopathology is another potential risk. A faulty T cell response can trigger allergic inflammation, and poorly functional antibodies that form immune complexes can activate the complement system, resulting in airway damage
    • There’s evidence showing the elderly — who are most vulnerable to severe COVID-19 and would need the vaccine the most — are also the most vulnerable to ADE and Th2 immunopathology

    According to a study that examined how informed consent is given to COVID-19 vaccine trial participants, disclosure forms fail to inform volunteers that the vaccine might make them susceptible to more severe disease if they’re exposed to the virus.

    The study,1 “Informed Consent Disclosure to Vaccine Trial Subjects of Risk of COVID-19 Vaccine Worsening Clinical Disease,” published in the International Journal of Clinical Practice, October 28, 2020, points out that “COVID-19 vaccines designed to elicit neutralizing antibodies may sensitize vaccine recipients to more severe disease than if they were not vaccinated.”
    **

    Full article here: https://articles.mercola.com/sites/...ronavirus-antibody-dependent-enhancement.aspx
     

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