More than 20 people vaccinated with the Pfizer vaccine died in Norway

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  1. phoenyx

    phoenyx Well-Known Member

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    I think others here will find this interesting, I certainly did.

    From eurnews.net:
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    In Norway, 23 people vaccinated with the Pfizer vaccine against coronavirus have died. This is stated on the website of the Norwegian Agency for Medicines.

    Specialists are investigating the causes of death of citizens. 13 cases have already been examined.

    The agency noted that the vaccine may indeed have caused side effects that led to “a more serious course of existing diseases in older people.”

    Vaccination against coronavirus with Pfizer’s drug began on December 27 in Norway. Residents of nursing homes in Oslo were the first to be vaccinated.

    The U.S. has also begun vaccinating the population with drugs from Pfizer/BioNTech and Moderna. In Great Britain, the use of Pfizer and AstraZeneca vaccines was approved.
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    Source:
    https://eurnews.net/more-than-20-people-vaccinated-with-the-pfizer-vaccine-died-in-norway/

    Additional reading in Norwegian (google can translate it to english):
    https://trondheim24.no/nyheter/legemiddelverket-har-sett-pa-13-dodsfall-i-etterkant-av-vaksinasjon/

    Using google translate, this is the start of the article:
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    The authorities have looked more closely at 13 deaths following vaccination

    The Norwegian Medicines Agency has assessed 13 deaths that may have been related to the coronary vaccine. Common to those who died is that they were old and frail.

    More than 25,000 Norwegians have been vaccinated with the first dose of the coronary vaccine from Pfizer and Biontech since Christmas. On Friday, the first dose of the new Moderna vaccine will be given.

    So far, the Norwegian Medicines Agency has assessed 29 adverse reaction reports after the covid-19 vaccination. 13 of these had a fatal outcome, shows a new report from the Norwegian Medicines Agency.

    A total of 23 deaths have been reported in connection with vaccination, but so far only 13 of these have been assessed. The other deaths are under treatment. Common side effects may have contributed to a serious course in frail elderly people, the Norwegian Medicines Agency reports.

    Changes vaccine advice
    All the deaths have occurred in frail, old patients in nursing homes. All are over 80 years old and some of them over 90, according to NRK.

    - The reports may indicate that common side effects from mRNA vaccines, such as fever and nausea, may have led to deaths in some frail patients, says chief physician Sigurd Hortemo in the Norwegian Medicines Agency.

    As a result, both the National Institute of Public Health and the Norwegian Medicines Agency have changed the coronary vaccination guide with new advice for this group.

    - If you are very frail, you should probably not be vaccinated, said subject director Steinar Madsen in the Norwegian Medicines Agency at a webinar on coronary vaccine for journalists on Thursday.

    He emphasizes over NRK that these cases are rare, and that many thousands of frail people have been vaccinated without a fatal outcome.

    This is in line with the recommendations that came from FHI earlier this week.

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    And so it begins.... but no doubt the 23 and counting dead will be delighted to know that "many thousands have been vaccinated without a fatal outcome".....YET.
     
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    I suggest it's possible it's not the vaccine but possibly the handling of the vaccine. Was it allowed it allowed to be kept/stored at the wrong temperature for too long a time? I think there needs to be more information before the trumpers can label the vaccine as bad.
     
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    Is it OK say they were old and going to die anyway?
    I can't remember whether you can only say that about the hundreds of thousands of Covid victims or if you can be callous about any coffin dodger's death.
     
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    The Business of Media in a Nutshell
    Count up some deaths, hang the modified "may have been related", cash in on the ad revenue, then move on to generating the next click bait article while never following up on the last.
     
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    Oh, geez....

    So the vaccines STARTED on December 27th.

    In 2 weeks later from the START of the vaccine, of the 27,000 people who were OVER 90 YEARS OLD, 20 PEOPLE died?

    I would be surprised if out of 27,000 90 years who were frail enough to be confined to nursing homes wouldn't see a significant number of people in that age and older wouldn't die!
     
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    The agency noted that the vaccine may indeed have caused side effects that led to “a more serious course of existing diseases in older people.”

    The reports may indicate that common side effects from mRNA vaccines, such as fever and nausea, may have led to deaths in some frail patients

    So many "mays". Perhaps come back when there is some actual information
     
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    The fact that so many people may have died due to these vaccines is very important information. I don't know about you, but I'm not fond of playing russian roulette.
     
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    It's looking like the same population group most likely to die from the virus is also the population group most at risk from dying from the vaccine.

    Not that surprising, since we are talking about a population group that is old and frail.
     
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    25,000 very elderly people vaccinated in the same 2 weeks as there are 23 people died.

    Death rate per 100,000 of 85 yo and over die: 13,450.7 per year.

    Every 2 weeks means 600 people over 85 every 2 weeks.

    How is 23 deaths in a 2 week period "so many" when 600 people die in the same time seem like "alot"?

    These are nursing home residents, but these includes even the healthy seniors in their own homes, presumably many are doing well.

    The desperate ways the anti-vaxers try to make vaccines sound 'scary' is unending.

    I think they are vitamin salesmen! One here suggests 8 GRAMS of vitamin C per day! Holy mackerel!
     
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    Guinea Pigs 'r us, and we're loving every minute of it.
     
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    well, so we have posters calling some folks "anti-vaxers" and we have others wanting more information

    Bottom line, of course the elderly and frail might die due to the vaccine. They are the same folks who might die from Covid.

    The point here is that with the draconian measures of lockdowns, masking up and killing the economy was to protect the same folk who might die from the vaccine or the virus. The rest of the world needs to go on with their lives with an open economy, use of common sense, and no mandatory masks. If you want one, then wear it.
     
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    I find that these supposed "terriblevloss of freedoms" are strangely combined.

    Lockdowns and cutting down the economy has some strong negative effects.

    But wearing masks around other people clearly is a trivial effort of minimal expense and tiny amount of time to reduce the spread of this (and ANY) communicable infection from the nose and mouth, it makes it pretty clear the real issue is very likely simply a trantrum, the usual screaming "I don't wanna" when a mother is asking to have a recalcitrant child to wear a sweater in the snow. Even a stubborn person should've resisting an important protection that has very minor cost and effort to save lives and would join in a good idea.
     
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    This isn't just a matter of old people dying. From the second article:
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    So far, the Norwegian Medicines Agency has assessed 29 adverse reaction reports after the covid-19 vaccination. 13 of these had a fatal outcome, shows a new report from the Norwegian Medicines Agency.
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    These 13 people died from the vaccine, plain and simple.
     
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    90+ yo nursing home residents died of the vaccine when another 600 people also died as well during that period of time?

    Indeed, a few people of that age and physical condition might die at the same time, but a sticking anything into and having a minor reaction could also die!

    I would bet that giving 6000 milligrams EVERY DAILY of Vitamin C are likely to have a small rate death rate too.
     
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    Where are you getting this 600 number from?
     
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    Eleuthera Well-Known Member Donor

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    Do you know what's even easier and less harmful than wearing a mask?

    Strengthening one's immune system by supplementing with good nutrition and vitamins and minerals.

    Taking several capsules with meals is much easier and not harmful like wearing a mask is.

    Likely you don't like to discuss such simple measures. You prefer, it seems, to wear a face diaper.
     
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    we as a society, no matter how cruel it seems, must come to the realization that frail folks will die be it from the flu, pneumonia, the vaccine or covid.

    IF the goal is to get folks vaccinated, then simply stop the silly mask mandates for those who are vaccinated. Masks are symbolic at best in controlling the spread as are lock downs.
     
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    Take two pillows and call QAnon in the morning! ;)
     
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    I wonder if that was the same poster who went quiet when I informed him that the cost of a year's supply of multi-vitamin tablets is higher than the cost of a covid vaccine in his claim that pharmaceutical companies are the driving force in this 'conspiracy'.
     
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    Assuming one has a functional immune system, the vitamins and minerals actually work, whereas the vaccine is for Emergency Use Only and may not work at all. Indeed, though the mainstream media won't admit or discuss it, a fair number of people have died from the vaccines. Nobody dies from good nutrition.
     
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    Amen.
     
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    Sadly, the anti-vaxers cannot show "fair numbers" or even not so fair numbers of deaths because there aren't.

    In fact, of the 400,000 dead and millions of seriously ill COVID, we can be sure of those affected victims took large numbers of vitamins and nostrums, just like the large numbers of cancer and other serious diseases of ill people who died dutifully swallowing megadoses of vitamin C etc. every day.
     
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    This has nothing to do with whether or not someone is an anti vaxxer. If you'd thoroughly read the OP, you'd know the following: **The Norwegian Medicines Agency has assessed 13 deaths that may have been related to the coronary vaccine. Common to those who died is that they were old and frail.**

    Hardly what you'd call an anti vaxxer source. But I suppose you should be forgiven not knowing this, as you probably didn't even read the OP.
     
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    I wonder if the 8 Grams of vit C gave them raging diarrhoea too?
     
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