Why does god put the needs of the few above the needs of the many?

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  1. kazenatsu

    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    But to be totally fair here, God says he isn't your father. (John 8:41-44)
     
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    Because Communism doesn't do God.
     
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    ...unless hell is simply a lack of heaven
     
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    Your problem here is that you are assuming you have the ability to determine who is in the majority. Its something like a person who is in prison assuming that everyone is a lawbreaker. Yeah in prison that might be true, but the majority of people are not in prison.
     
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    Yet Jesus says he is, and like him, we are to depose our internal father and as scriptures say, put away the things of children and grow up.

    Who do you want to believe you are not a child of god, when you had to emanate from the father, given that there was nothing else in the beginning.

    Not that that fantasy is real, but it does show Christian dogma.

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    Check what was written on the German WWII belt, and retract your error..

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    True, but the majority, so scriptures say, end in hell.

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    Are you kidding me?
    Communists put the need of the many and have no needs of the individual, and they have no God.
    You retract your error.

    What does some National Socialist Nazi have to do with Communism and why would it matter what some WWII German belt said when talking about Communism having no God? Do you think the Nazis where Communist or something?
     
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    Strange that you could not do the research that would have shown you that they wore religious iconography, like all good Christians would.

    Not a good sign for your mind.

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    I never said they didn't, I wondered what they had to do with what I said.

    You seem to be confusing them with Communists.
     
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    There has never been a true Communist nation.

    Such a term is hard to define, but a flat socio economic demographic pyramid would be a must and no modern nation has ever had that.

    Fascist is a better word, given the German alignment with the Vatican Bank, and the Vatican's help to escaping German High Command officers after the war. Bastard Catholics eh?

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    I'm talking about Communist philosophy in regard to religion & having everything be for the many as a collective; Communists don't do God, so it makes sense that God doesn't do Communism, hence answering why God puts the needs of the few over the many in which this thread is asking.

    It's not hard at all to define what's Communism and what's not;
    Remember, all Communists are Authoritarian, but not all Authoritarians are Communist.
    You really seem to be either confused or, the worst case of Godwin's Law I have ever seen; Because, you keep talking about the damn Nazis all the damn time! lol
     
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    Statism is a religion, just as following any given ideology is, even atheism.

    Only fools take isms as anything but what the holder hold as his highest ethics.

    We all have an ideal ism.

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    There are churches in Russia...have been there a long time during communism.
    Why do you say Communists don't need God?
    https://theculturetrip.com/europe/russia/articles/the-most-beautiful-churches-in-russia/
     
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    But that is not proof that "the majority" have not broken the law.
     
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    Well Communism doesn't do the God this thread refers too, which is fine given this thread's claim and it being contrary to Communism anyway.
     
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    Yes it does. Ideology is synonymous with all isms.

    Do not put words into my OP's mouth. We likely do not define god the same way.

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    How can Communism do the God mentioned in the title, if Communism doesn't do Gods?

    It's like PRC Vs, the CCP; the USSR Vs. CPSU.
    Just because there's churches in Russia, doesn't mean it's Communism doing God..
    Just because Falun Gong practice in China, doesn't mean it's Communism doing it.

    Why?
    Because Communism doesn't do God, especially if God works for the needs of the few over the needs of the many, then God doesn't do Communism back, which is fair.
    Ergo, Communism is unholy; which again is okay because Communism is Atheist, now, not every Atheist is Communist of course, but every Communist (every good Communist loyal to the party) is Atheist.
    Taxation is also unholy; I think Jesus converted a tax officer who left that position to become a disciple, so taxation is unholy too. Taxation though needed to pay for public services is also a source for welfare and social security and the Christian act of charity then gets forced when God might want someone to want to give.

    There are countries under God, so maybe God is taxing us, which is unholy.
    God, scripture, and organised religion, is unholy. imo.
    You're not going to find God in a book, just acts of God at best.
     
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    if you think of God in the bible as being a narcissist with a fragile ego like Trump... it makes more sense

    seriously, next time you read the bible, try it

    think Trump would not tell a father to kill his son as a type of loyalty test?
     
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    I think France is secular and PRC is communist, but both are degrees of state atheism and countries under God tax which is unholy against the God they're meant to be under.

    Is what it is.
     
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    I agree with your first but not your last.

    We are not aware of any acts from a supernatural god.

    It would be silly to think a real supernatural entity existed.

    We are supposed to die if we ever see god. I prefer to think the bullet I have with his name on it would kill him before he gets me. He deserves more than being killed.

    Perhaps Yahweh would prefer the purposeless torture in hell that he has planned for the vast majority of us.

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    we? that would be false on its face since it goes without saying that people who believe in a deity are fully aware, unless you have a few mice in your pocket?
     
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    except athe'ism' from what I have seen from you
    so you apply your definition of G/god to them instead of their definition. sounds like sleight of hand to me
     
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    If false, prove me wrong.

    People who truly believe in the supernatural, without evidence or proof, are less than fully aware. They are in fact, delusional.

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    Your language tries to be.

    Let me just repeat what you seem to have missed elsewhere just today.

    Since following an ideology is a prerequisite of religion, atheism can be considered a religion, since atheists draws on philosophical ideologies to guide ideas, behaviors, and actions, like that of any religion. That is why atheist churches are called atheist churches.

    Atheists Are Sometimes More Religious Than Christians
    A new study shows how poorly we understand the beliefs of people who identify as atheist, agnostic, or nothing in particular.

    Americans are deeply religious people—and atheists are no exception. Western Europeans are deeply secular people—and Christians are no exception.

    These twin statements are generalizations, but they capture the essence of a fascinating finding in a new study about Christian identity in Western Europe. By surveying almost 25,000 people in 15 countries in the region, and comparing the results with data previously gathered in the U.S., the Pew Research Center discovered three things.

    First, researchers confirmed the widely known fact that, overall, Americans are much more religious than Western Europeans. They gauged religious commitment using standard questions, including “Do you believe in God with absolute certainty?” and “Do you pray daily?”

    Second, the researchers found that American “nones”—those who identify as atheist, agnostic, or nothing in particular—are more religious than European nones. The notion that religiously unaffiliated people can be religious at all may seem contradictory, but if you disaffiliate from organized religion it does not necessarily mean you’ve sworn off belief in God, say, or prayer.

    The third finding reported in the study is by far the most striking. As it turns out, “American ‘nones’ are as religious as—or even more religious than—Christians in several European countries, including France, Germany, and the U.K.”

    “That was a surprise,” Neha Sahgal, the lead researcher on the study, told me. “That’s the comparison that’s fascinating to me.” She highlighted the fact that whereas only 23 percent of European Christians say they believe in God with absolute certainty, 27 percent of American nones say this.

    America is a country so suffused with faith that religious attributes abound even among the secular. Consider the rise of “atheist churches,” which cater to Americans who have lost faith in supernatural deities but still crave community, enjoy singing with others, and want to think deeply about morality. It’s religion, minus all the God stuff. This is a phenomenon spreading across the country, from the Seattle Atheist Church to the North Texas Church of Freethought. The Oasis Network, which brings together non-believers to sing and learn every Sunday morning, has affiliates in nine U.S. cities.

    Last month, almost 1,000 people streamed into a [Atheist] church in San Francisco for an unprecedented event billed as “Beyoncé Mass.” Most were people of color and members of the LGBTQ community. Many were secular. They used Queen Bey’s songs, which are replete with religious symbolism, as the basis for a communal celebration—one that had all the trappings of a religious service. That seemed completely fitting to some, including one reverend who said, “Beyoncé is a better theologian than many of the pastors and priests in our church today.”
    https://www.theatlantic.com/interna...theists-religious-european-christians/560936/

    Regards
    DL
     

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