What will win the god wars? Faith, Fantasy, Facts, or God?

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  1. gabmux

    gabmux Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Great! Thank you much for honest and insightful reply!! Perhaps most everything you said above
    applies to my own life situation....maybe even applies to all humans...
    Also am grateful that you answered question below...
    You answered.....
    "The answer to your question is Yes for me. Only you can know what is good for you."

    Now...can you please describe who or what exactly is this you that you are referring to?
    Who, what, where is this....whatever....that you refer to as you?
    Are you simply a form or a body as humans call it.....that lives in a house with a fence and a family?
    Right now....at this precise moment....describe what you truly are...are you any....thing....at all?
     
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    Kokomojojo Well-Known Member

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    false, jews of the zionist variety were booted out of every country that was kind enough to take them in, for subterfuge in undermining their established governments.
    Yes america is under siege and losing the war.
    Yes the constitution and bill of rights is being destroyed and eaten away due to zionist cancer
    thats what happens when you have zionists at the helm, meet joe biden!

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    Beacons of truth!
     
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    Oh Yeah Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    As a descendent of those who lost their lives to the Holocaust I have an interest in your remarks. My Great- grandmother, a Gypsy-Jew was rounded up in Poland and was murdered in the camps. I also had a relative who was one of the children sent by Dr. Mengele Dr. Kurt Heissmeyer.

    In November 1944, ten girls and ten boys, aged between five and 12 years old, were brought from Auschwitz to Neuengamme at the request of Dr Kurt Heissmeyer so he and his team of doctors could experiment on them. He hoped to gain a professorship from his research, he said. The children’s skin was cut open and tuberculosis bacilli rubbed into the wounds. Heissmeyer then had their lymph glands removed by operation, to discover whether antibodies had developed against the tuberculosis. All this took place in the last weeks of the war, when Heissmeyer knew the war was lost.

    At his trial he stated, “I did not think that inmates of a camp had full value as human beings.” When asked why he didn’t use guinea pigs he responded, “For me there was no basic difference between human beings and guinea pigs.” He then corrected himself: “Jews and guinea pigs”.

    The children of Bullenhuser Damm - The Jewish Chronicle (thejc.com)

    Roosevelt knew what was happening to the Jews. These questions are no longer difficult. The answers can be found in a recent (2019) book by historian Rafael Medoff, The Jews Should Keep Quiet: Franklin Roosevelt, Rabbi Stephen S. Wise, and the Holocaust. And they are damning.

    What was Roosevelt’s motivation? Medoff examines his documented attitudes toward Jews and race in general, and finds both the antisemitism that was common in the American upper classes at the time, plus a belief in the superiority of the “Aryan” races (yes, Roosevelt used that word). He believed that the US should be primarily a white, protestant nation and that the numbers of Jews (and Catholics) should be kept low, and that they should be “diluted” geographically so that they would be more quickly assimilated. He said that Asians were inferior and “not capable of assimilation” and that “the mingling of Asiatic blood with European or American blood produces…the most unfortunate results.” Roosevelt and the Jews | Abu Yehuda

    I would not call joe biden a Zionist. I do not believe has the best interest of Israel at heart. He was one of main instruments in the Iran deal, who in their own words, are dedicated to the destruction of the Jews. I doubt the Jewish community is trying to destroy the Constitution. I do believe that they are still traumatized of the slaughter of WW II and are in self protectionist mode. Who can blame them? Your comments condemn them but your photo reminds of the atrocities. Hard to understand where you stand.
     
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    Oh Yeah Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yes I need God. I still have many short comings and old ways I hang on too. I ask for the intelligence on how not only how rid myself of wrongful discretions but also the means to really mean it. I can tell someone "I'm sorry" but do I really feel it or mean it? Not always. Can I be a person of peace but short tempered? When Lot was leading his family out of Sodom and Gomorrah he was instructed and those with him not to look back. His wife looked back and was turned into a pillar of salt. There were four other cities around them and were all destroyed with fire and brimstone. What I get out of that story is that had GOD not fore-warned those to change their ways four times? So one decides to heed the warning and change his life for the better but are you sincere or is it just words. Am I guilty of looking back on my past as a tool to guide me in the future or do I look back and long for the past. Surely if I long for the past I am leading my way to a path of bitterness and destruction. The burden I carry is freewill. It would be so much easier if I didn't have to decide.

    What I say is my spirituality at the moment and what I believe but open to change. I do not know what is good or bad for you so when I say YOU I am saying
    your quest is in your hands and you have a right to your own believes.
     
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    gabmux Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Thank you for reply...
    To your idea above I can add...."If you have one foot in the future...and one foot in the past...you are pissing on the present."

    It seems this conversation has reached it's limit....
    I wish you well
     
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    Kokomojojo Well-Known Member

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    All I see abover is jews supporting jews.
    No evidence has ever been uncovered this was taking place.

    Feel free to post trial transcripts and other material you have, otherwise its simply more romantic bullshit being passed off as fact.

    I would since he said he was on many occasions.

    Do you think we are all naive?





    ‘Zionist’ Biden in his own words: ‘My name is Joe Biden, and everybody knows I love Israel’
    Posted: Wednesday 03.18.2020 2:19 am Revised: Friday 03.20.2020 2:19 am [​IMG] Ramzy Baroud Elections, National Election, Opinions, Other Voices, Palestine, U.S.A


    “I am a Zionist. You don’t have to be a Jew to be a Zionist,” current Democratic Presidential candidate Joe Biden, said in April 2007, soon before he was chosen to be Barack Obama’s running mate in the 2008 elections.

    Biden is, of course, correct, because Zionism is a political movement that is rooted in 20th century nationalism and fascism. Its use of religious dogmas is prompted by political expediency, not spirituality or faith.

    Unlike President Trump or Bernie Sanders, Biden’s only serious opponent in the Democratic primaries, Biden’s stand on Israel is rarely examined.
    https://www.arabamericannews.com/20...-joe-biden-and-everybody-knows-i-love-israel/


    feel free to stop back if you can source and provide valid citations, your family history is meaningless to the subject matter UNLESS you have valid citations, you posted none, I expect you like many before you will post none.
     
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  7. Injeun

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    Why would Jews, after 75 years, make up stories and create much ado about something that never happened? Why would Wikileaks have full articles with references about the events and trials? Do you think that no individual, race, or group of humans ever viewed other races as inferior? Do you think it out of the realm of possibility for a victor in war to feel emboldened like a thief or predator in the night to commit an atrocity? Or that a Physician might justify experimentation to further the cause of science for the greater good? And fwiw, it is also a well known fact that many Americans back then feared that the Catholic Church might be the pivot to the anti-Christ. That's the main reason why JFK was questioned about his views regarding separation of his religion(Catholic)from his duties as President.
     
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    Studying both sides of a dualistic god is indeed more interesting than just knowing god's one side.

    Scriptures are correct in saying that god created evil for his pleasure.

    It was really nature but why she would add it too creation is quite easy to discern. Competition is a must for an evolving species.

    Without evil, and all of us doing some, we would go extinct.

    Christianity is correct, in a sense, when they sing that Adam's sin was a happy fault and necessary to god's plan.

    It is in natures plan and we must sin/do evil, to the losers of our competitions.

    Regards
    DL
     
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    gabmux Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    But what if God is non dualism?
    What if it is impossible to only know "one side" of God...
    ...because there are no "sides" at all?
    Likewise...what if it is impossible to "know" God...
    simply because there is nothing to know?
    Perhaps God can not be known at all....He can only be.
    Is that not why you have referred to yourself as....."I am"?
    Or as Jesus said..."before Abraham was born...I am"
     
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    As I see it, it is not the dual nature of a single God. But the single natures of two distinct entities, one a fallen wannabe, the other the true and living God. God has blessed us with a birthright in conscience and choice as our provisions. So it is to us by these provisions, to abide and have faith....to work and sacrifice.
     
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    I guess all the Concentration camps that have records and recorded names and other war sites were atrocities were all committed are built after the war for what reason? You are not even worth the time because your mind is already closed. It does not matter if you are anti Jewish or Israel but to claim that the atrocities of WWII different happen when there are thousands of pages of information on War Crimes by international bodies is just plain ignorance. I waste not one more word on you.
     
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    Yeh thats the way it goes when you aregue with someone who has done the homework and has the 'facts', tough break.
    as a matter of fact all the german camps kept awesome records, on the other hand eisenhowers death camp, where he murdered over 1 million germans AFTER the war by starving them to death by refusing to feed them is another story, but then holohoaxers dont know anything about those atrocities!

    HEY LOOK
    :eek:

    4 million were reportedly mudered at auschwitz when only 375,000 ever set foot in auschwitz.

    I gues Zionist J-Ws arent very good at math eh?

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    Good idea, some people on here cant see the storm till they are drowning in it.
     
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    You state the reasons why Moses came down with laws and not a god.

    He took lessons from Gnostic Christians.

    We are perpetual seekers of the best rules and laws to live by, and not produced by a genocidal and satanic god like the Yahweh/Jesus twins.

    Here is how we see our own I am.

    Modern Gnostic Christians name our god "I am", and yes, we do mean ourselves.

    You are your controller. I am mine. You represent and present whatever mind picture you have of your God or ideal human, and so do I.

    The name "I Am" you might see as meaning something like, --- I think I have grown up thanks to having forced my apotheosis through Gnosis and meditation and “I am”, represents the best rules and laws that we have found to live by.

    In Gnostic Christianity, we follow the Christian tradition that Christians have forgotten that they are to do. That is, become brethren to Jesus.

    That is why some say that the only good Christian is a Gnostic Christian.

    Here is the real way to salvation that Jesus taught.

    Matthew 6:22 The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light.

    John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

    Romans 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

    Allan Watts explain those quotes in detail.


    Joseph Campbell shows the same esoteric ecumenist idea in this link.


    The bible just plainly says to put away the things of children. The supernatural and literal reading of myths.

    Regards
    DL
     
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    Greatest I am Well-Known Member

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    Fiction is fiction and faith without facts is for fools.

    Regards
    DL
     
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    Conscience to show right from wrong, and the power of choice to choose one or the other is an immovable cornerstone from which to build either eternal life or eternal damnation. So have I made real from that which is false according to your judgment. Or have you made false from that which is real according to mine?
     
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    Christians cannot tell good from evil, hence their adoration of a genocidal moral monster.

    The supernatural is false. Prove me wrong.

    Regards
    DL
     
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    why would anyone take you seriously when you cant even get burden of proof correct?
     
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    I guess that you have not seen how often Christians ask us to prove god does not exist.

    Regards
    DL
     
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    Kokomojojo Well-Known Member

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    DUH!
    No ****, its your claim, you prove it.
    Unless of course you now want to claim there are Christian-Atheists?
     
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    Only fools think that all Christians who claim to be believers will actually be believers.

    Regards
    DL
     
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    some fools use a composition fallacy to defend their errors.
     

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