DID THE DEMOCRATS STEAL THE PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION?

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  1. Independent4ever

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    DID THE DEMOCRATS STEAL THE PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION?

    We will never know. Time to move on.
     
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    The only pearl clutchers are those still gurgling, "Stolen election" SQUAWCK ! Stolen election! Voter Fraud !!!, Uncle Bubba said there was ! Squawck! OH DEAR!!!"""
     
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    No. What happen is Trump lost the support of the independent voter who grew sick and tired of his childish antics and his 3rd grade schoolyard bullying tactics. Trump won independents 46-42 in 2016 with 12% voting against both Trump and Hillary. Independents disliked both major party candidates and didn't want neither one to become their next president. In 2020, Independents went to Biden, 54-41 over Trump. If you add the 42% who voted for Clinton in 2016 to the 12% who voted against Trump and Clinton by voting third party. You come up with 54% of independents who voted against Trump in 2016. The same exact percentage who voted for Biden in 2020.

    Now if you go just by what the voters told exit pollsters. You still get almost identical results. You're not talking about a small sampling group either, over 15,000 sampled.


    https://www.cnn.com/election/2020/exit-polls/president/national-results


    According to the exit polls, Democrats made up 37% of those who actually voted, they voted 94-5 Biden over Trump. Rather simple math .95 times 37 comes out to 35.15 while .05 times 37 comes to 1.85. republicans made up 36% of those who actually voted. Trump won republicans 94-6 over Biden. Again .94 times 36 equals 33.94 for Trump, .06 times 36 equals 2.16. Independents made up 26% of those who voted, Biden won independents 54-41. Again .54 times 26 equals 14.04 for Biden and .41 times 26 equals 10.66 for Trump. Exit polling data shows Biden winning 51.35% to Trump’s 46.45% with the rest going to third party candidates. The actual results were 51.3% for Biden, 46.9 for Trump.


    Okay, not an exact match, but really close. Of course exit polling is just going by what people told the pollster how they voted. But who people told the pollster who they voted for comes within a hair of the actual results. Which if there were massive fraud, one would expect a big difference. Now if the exit polling or folks telling the pollster that 50% of them voted for Trump whereas only 46% was the actual results, that would have shown massive fraud. But to be this close to the final results throws massive fraud out the window.

    Bottom line, Trump lost because independents just didn't like his very unpresidential behavior and his obnoxious, childish personality. Independents are political junkies and pay little to no attention in general to politics until 2-3 week prior to an election. But they attain their likes and dislikes of a president over his entire term. To them, elections are basically beauty contest, it boils down to which candidate their like the most or dislike the most more than policy etc.
     
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    In the summer Trumpies be like: If he doesn't want to get shot, don't resist.

    On Jan. 6th, Trumpies be like: "Shoot him with his own gun!"

    Trumpies have some splainin to do.
     
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    Too bad you've decided to parrot trump's lies about the election.
    The rest of the planet knows better.


    https://news.yahoo.com/editorial-disastrous-president-110054755.html


     
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    Here is your evidence:

    Whistle blowers...

     
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    You failed to mention the Republican senators had about 600,000 more votes on the actuall election.

    The runoff was hurt by a combination of things and should have been a solid victory for Republicans with a bigger registered voter advantage.

    So 600,000 Republicans chose not to vote in the run offs. Again a combination of things.
     
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    We'll never know when they cover the windows of the counting rooms, tell GOP observers to go home and then when they are gone, add thousands of votes that are 96-4 Biden in a race that was running 50.2 to 49.8. I think no matter how many votes they needed, in these handful of Blue Cities they would have come up with whatever necessary.

    If you want the results to be indisputable, then we need open sensible practices.

    The Constitution charges the State Legislatures and the Congress with making election law. And since every damn official thinks they can change the law on a whim, and the State Courts back them up, and the Supreme Court refused to hear it, getting the State Legislatures to set rules that ensure transparency and accuracy does nothing if everyone else, from the Gov, Sect of State, even local city and county officials, unelected judges and so forth change them freely, I think national legislation will be needed that makes it clear to the States that if you violate these procedures you lose your electors.

    These 3 goals strike me as a very reasonable guiding principles:
    • All legal voters can vote, once.
    • Secure the ballots with chain of custody security like they are bank deposits.
    • Ensure vote counting procedures that are fully transparent and verifiable.
     
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    NO. No way, No how. See tRUMPs own hand picked folks statements on the most secure election in USA history,

    Krebs' firing came after his agency, the Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency, last week released a statement calling the 2020 election "the most secure in American history."
    https://www.npr.org/2020/11/17/9360...er-trying-to-correct-voter-fraud-disinformati

    ...
    KELLY: So that's quite something - the attorney general directly contradicting his boss. What else did Barr say?

    LUCAS: So Barr told the Associated Press that federal prosecutors and the FBI had looked into specific allegations and information regarding the integrity of the vote. And he said quite bluntly they have not found any evidence of widespread fraud.
    https://www.npr.org/2020/12/01/9408...n-fraud-has-been-found-by-federal-authorities
    ...

    The Wisconsin Supreme Court rejected a Trump campaign challenge to the state election results in a 4-3 decision less than an hour before the state cast its votes in the Electoral College.

    The decision was written by conservative Justice Brian Hagedorn, who joined the court’s liberals in rejecting the challenge.
    https://pbswisconsin.org/news-item/...reme-court-rejects-trumps-election-challenge/

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    In an interview with ABC’s “Good Morning America,” Raffensperger said the data Trump used to peddle his baseless conspiracies of election fraud during the hourlong call was wildly inaccurate.

    Trump “did most of the talking,” Raffensperger told host George Stephanopoulos. “We did mostly listening. But I did want to make my points that the data he had is just plain wrong.”
    https://www.huffpost.com/entry/raffensperger-trump-call_n_5ff30a1ac5b6e7974fd4d6bc
     
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    And republicans all over the country are complete incompetents.
    How they let Dems steal the election right under their noses, while they sit on election commissions, polling places, and vote counting.

    If the republicans all over the country are that incompetent, why elect them in the 1st place?
     
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    On November 12, 2020, it was reported that Krebs expected to be fired from his position; in part, this expectation was due to Krebs's role in creating a CISA website to debunk election-related disinformation, much of which was being promoted by President Donald Trump and his allies.[9][10] As CISA's director, Krebs was the "administration's most senior cybersecurity official responsible for securing the presidential election".[11] Sidney Powell, an attorney for Trump and Michael Flynn, asserted on the Lou Dobbs and Maria Bartiromo Fox News programs that a secret government supercomputer program had switched votes from Trump to Biden in the election, a claim Krebs dismissed as "nonsense" and a "hoax."[12]
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Krebs

    It appears many have been fooled. Including this OP.
     
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    I think your post here pretty much sums up that the election was not stolen.

    Many have said no and provided the reasons why it wasn't stolen along with links to offer proof.

    You post hearsay and offered not 1 link to back up any of said hearsay. Because there is no evidence of a stolen election. And the lack of links to real evidence ends your own thread.
     
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    Conspiracy theories; no proof needed
     
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    Giuliani says he's on the impeachment team. Says voter fraud is true so Trump is not guilty. This is gonna be a riot. I hope somebody calls Carone to testify.
     
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    YOU ARE FULL OF MANURE!


    FIRST, Goergia's Nov 3rd Results;

    For President;

    Biden; 2,473,633 votes
    Trump; 2,461,854 votes

    TOTAL BALLOTS; 4,935,487

    For U.S. Senate

    Perdue; 2,462,617
    Ossoff; 2,374,519
    Hazel; 115,039

    TOTAL BALLOTS; 4,953,075

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020–21_United_States_Senate_election_in_Georgia

    For Special Election; To Fill the Unexpired Term of Johnny Isakson

    Warnock; 1,617,035
    Loeffler; 1,273,214

    Other candidates;

    Republican Doug Collins.......980,454 votes
    Republican Derrick Grayson.......51,592 votes
    Republican Annette Jackson.......44,335 votes
    Republican Kandiss Taylor.......40,349
    Republican A. Wayne Jhonson.......36,176

    Total Republican Votes; 2,426,110

    Democrat Deborah Jackson.......322,418 votes
    Democrat Matt Liberman........136,021 votes
    Democrat Shealey.......106,767
    Democrat Jamesia James.....94,406
    Democrat Joy Slade.......44,945
    Democrat Richard Winfield.....28,687
    Democrat Ed Tarver.......26,333

    Total Democrat Votes; 2,386,611

    Green John Furtuin......15,293

    Libertarian Brian Slowinsky.......35,431

    Independent Allan Buckley......17,954
    Independent Elbert Bartell.......14,640
    Independant Valacia Stoval......13,318
    Independent Micheal Greene.....3,293

    TOTAL VOTES: 4,922,642

    https://ballotpedia.org/Derrick_Grayson

    https://www.cnn.com/election/2020/results/state/georgia/senate-special-election

    Sample Ballot;

    https://cdn.ballotpedia.org/images/a/a3/2020_Gerogia_sample_ballot_(Fulton_County).pdf

    Sample Ballot

    https://www.dekalbcountyga.gov/sites/default/files/users/user304/2020-11-03 Composite Sample Ballot rev 3.pdf

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    Georgia's Runoff elections

    For U.S. Senate;

    Ossoff; 2,269,738.........Nov 3rd; 2,374,519, a difference of minus 104,781votes
    Perdue; 2,214,506.........Nov 3rd; 2,462,617, a difference of minus 248,111 votes

    TOTAL BALLOTS; 4,484,244

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020–21_United_States_Senate_election_in_Georgia

    Special Election

    Warnock; 2,288,923..........Nov 3rd, Total number of Democrat votes; 2,386,611, a difference of minus 97,688 votes

    Loeffler; 2,195,373............Nov 3rd, Total number of Republican votes; 2,426,110, a difference of 230,737 votes

    TOTAL BALLOTS; 4,484,296

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    LOGICALLY, RATIONALLY, AND MATHEMATICALLY IMPOSSIBLE THAT 600,000 REPUBLICANS DIDN'T VOTE IN THE RUNOFF ELECTIONS.

    AND STOP INSULTING MY INTELLIGENCE......One reason why you folks lost Nov 3rd, and Runoff elections; Insulting people's intelligence.


     
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    Now, let's continue with the above-mentioned actual election numbers......

    Number of NO-SHOW in the Runoff elections;

    Georgia's total number of votes/ballots, Nov 3rd;

    For President;

    1. Biden; 2,473,633 votes
    2. Trump; 2,461,854 votes
    3. Libertarian; 62,229
    4. Green; 1,013
    5. American Solidarity; 701
    6. PSL; 159
    7. Constitution; 61

    Total; 4,999,960 votes/ballots

    Question; In the runoff elections, did 3, 4, 5, 6, 7 voted for Republicans or Democrats?

    Answer; Who knows!

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third..._the_2020_United_States_presidential_election

    For U.S. Senate, Nov 3rd;

    Republican Perdue; 2,462,617
    Democrat Ossoff; 2,374,519
    Libertarian Hazel; 115,039

    Total votes; 4,952,175

    Question: In the runoff elections, did Libetarians voted for Perdue or Ossoff?

    Answer; Who knows!

    For Special Election, Nov 3rd

    Number of Republican votes; 2,426,110
    Number of Democrat votes; 2,386,611
    Number of Libertarian/Independent/Other votes; 99,929

    Total votes; 4,902,660

    Question; In the Runoff, did Libertarians/Independents/Others voted for Warnock or Loeffler?

    Answer; Who knows!

    No-show Republicans;

    Nov 3rd; 2,461,854 Republicans voted for Trump
    Runoff; On same ballots, Perdue received the most votes; 2,214,506
    No-show; 247,348

    No-show Democrats;

    Nov 3rd; 2,473,633 Democrats voted for Trump
    Runoff; On same ballots, Warnock received the most votes; 2,288,923
    No-show; 184,710

    Thus, compared to the number of no-show Democrats, an extra 62,638 Republicans didn't vote in the runoff. Had they voted;

    Perdue; 2,214,506 + 62,638 votes = 2,278,144 votes......winner
    Ossoff; 2,269,738

    Warnock; 2,288,923........still the winner
    Loeffler; 2,195,373 + 62,638 votes = 2,257,011

    NOW, THE QUESTION IS: Why said 62,638 Republicans haven't voted in the runoff elections?

    Read my next post......
     
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    DID THE DEMOCRATS STEAL THE PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION?
    Is the Pope Catholic? Does a bear poop in the woods? Do Democrats use any weapon they can find to garner votes?
     
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    Quote: Thus, compared to the number of no-show Democrats, an extra 62,638 Republicans didn't vote in the runoff.

    WHY?

    Because of Trump’s ongoing attacks/insults on the Georgia governor, and his Republican Election Officials, for example;

    Kemp is a fool and a clown
    Kemp should step down/resign
    Kemp should be arrested for....
    Kemp should be jailed
    Kemp has committed a crime
    Kemp leadership is a disaster
    He is an obstructionist who refuses to admit that we won Georgia

    In other words, if Trump believed that Georgia's Republicans were solely his loyalists, he was wrong.

    In other words, how many of Kemp's Republican supporters/loyalists has Trump switched off?

    In other words, how many of Raffensperger's Republican family members, staff, close friends, friends, acquaintances, etc. has Trump switched off by calling him ''an enemy of the people''.

    How many?

    Answer; 62,638 votes!

    You reap what you sow.
     
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