Biden plans to end the Keystone Pipeline day 1 multiple sources confirm.

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  1. Matthewthf

    Matthewthf Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Well Biden did not have this outlined in his stuff to do. Biden is going to make alot of bad choices and kill alot of jobs.

    The Keystone Pipeline I was skeptical of at first but it has not become a environmental hazourd. I remember reading about 1 single spill that was taken care of. Canada supports it and says it is fine. Justin Trudeau supports it. It creates jobs and energy.

    So what is the big deal? Native American Indians hate it because it goes through thier land but why do Democrats hate it? How is this hurting anyone?

    This is just one of many things Biden plans to do on his first day including stopping construction of the wall with Mexico. Makes you wonder what he will sneak past the media? We won't probably know about half the stuff he does.

    Per multiple sources and news:

    https://www.politico.com/news/2021/01/17/biden-yank-keystone-pipeline-permit-460142
     
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    If we HAVE NOT been hurt by not having it for all the years it has been a news topic, and oil use is now declining, do we really need it ????
     
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    Right now, it would hurt American jobs to bring Canadian oil down because US oil prices are so depressed. American wells
    are being shut down.
     
  4. Matthewthf

    Matthewthf Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It creates jobs and brings oil from Canada to America. Canada put over 1 billion dollars into the project I think. It's already built so why stop it?
     
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    What do we tell Canada when we end it?
     
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    Canada is fully aware of the depressed oil market.
     
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    sounds like excuses to me. I guess excuses are better than admitting anyone on the left is capable of bad decisions to though
     
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    Anyone who takes a minute to look at a map of preexisting oil pipelines in the U.S. will instantly know this was always a paper tiger towards political flexing, not a real issue.
     
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    They put money into this pipeline. Why would they do that if they knew it was a bad thing to begin with?
     
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    Matthewthf Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    So are you saying this is no big deal? We spent alot of money into building this and now it's just going to sit there and not be used. Seems like a waste to me.

    Canada supports it. I'm not sure they want us to just stop using it.
     
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    Kill jobs, raise taxes, bring in more illegals.............

    Sounds dreadful already
     
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    No, I'm saying that in a country already criss-crossed with pipelines that function very well for the most part, the Keystone Pipeline was not the new, special type of threat that the LW liars and other Complex want people to believe. Rest assured there are special interests behind negative narratives on it, not sincere ecological and other concerns.
     
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    ~ As Biden/Harris declare their war on oil and gas the average American will soon see $6.00 a gallon gas and their electric bills double or triple. A huge winner will be our good buddies at OPEC, Putin and the oil oligarchs. Say goodbye to oil independence.
    Apparently all democrats are rich enough to afford this, or believe in the energy fairy who will magically produce all the non-fossil fuel energy we can use. { California already believes this while they have rolling blackouts } The sad part of this fantasy is the the very poor and low income folks will be hurt the most .
     
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    You have no clue what you are talking about

    1) The Keystone would create Jobs - that is a fact - and the US owns Canada - Jobs created in Canada are in large part - US Companies.

    2) the crude coming from Canada has no impact on the US production - it is either Canada - or Nigeria. Refineries need to heavy and light crude - the stuff coming out of the Permian is not the Heavy Stuff.

    3) not building the Keystone will not change US oil consumption by 1 drop - so we have to get that oil somewhere else from places such as Nigeria. Canada is by far the more environmentally friendly option - so we are then violating the NGD by transporting our pollution problems to other nations. "Not in our back yard" basically.
     
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    Blue is now the new "anti environment" party. If we don't get oil from Canada - by pipeline, we have to get it from places like Nigeria by tanker.

    Canada is hands down the better environmental option - and the better economic option.

    This decision has everything to do with politics - and nothing to do with science.
     
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    Oil will now be shipped by truck and train which increases both cost and risk. Which also increases greenhouse gases. Stupid
     
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    there go thousands of jobs
     
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    It's still coming In just coming in in truck and trains both if Wich are far more dangerous and polluting than pipelines.
     
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    Democrats hate it because it assists this nation in being energy independent. For some silly reason democrats want the US to be dependent on the middle east, and constant war. It's like they're traitors or something.
     
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    It's the right thing to do. Why would we continue betting on a dead horse? Tar sand oil is already economically very questionable. The energy return on energy invested (EROI) is barely above 2. In the future, EROI is only going to go down (the low hanging fruit have been picked).

    So, why build a pipeline as a huge infrastructure project that will be obsolete probably in 1-3 decades? The only jobs that would be created anyway are temporary jobs. In the long run, jobs will be lost.

    Let's look at the long term and the future of energy production in the US, not the past.
     
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    You realize that this pipeline is bringing in Canadian oil - so pray tell, how does that make the US energy independent?

    Energy independent is shifting slowly to renewable energy sources like solar - no
    Middle East oil required ... duh.

    So that makes your asinine post wrong on two fronts. Congratulations.
     
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    As usual, your post is... blah blah... you're wrong... blah blah, no supporting evidence provided... blah blah... renewables.. blah blah, personal attack.

    That seems to be the formula. Now explain to us again why democrats want to undermine us energy independence? Tell us again how far off renewables are from becoming a reality, and then, explain why recrafting US dependence on foreign oil from the middle east doesn't continue to require the blood of US service men.
     
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    The left is killing jobs already. I'm not surprised.
     
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    I have seen enough replies and I agree with some that it's better to get it from Canada than the middle east.
     
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    It's better to not use tar sand oil at all, no matter where it comes from. That's the bottom line.
     

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