Arnold Schwarzenegger’s speech to Americans.

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  1. grapeape

    grapeape Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I dont know. But you and I both know that if there was anything there, that it would have been acted upon, and Trump would have used it.

    The "laptop" was just another Rudy ploy to effect the election.
     
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    chris155au Well-Known Member

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    Oh, so you know all about the FBI's procedures? The DOJ didn't want to do anything anyway, because of the election. They didn't want to look political.
     
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    First off, can we address this nomenclature issue I have. What is the definition of "Republican"? Is it in the mold of "(R)" Mittens Romney from his new hiatus in UT? Or is it in the mold of (R) Ted Cruz in TX?.... Just want to be sure, as I Identify as being a conservative republican, I deserve the right to 'cast some shade' in this regard... Don't start equivocating on behalf of an ideological cause just because you assume that the designation "(R)" holds any water with anything other than you sycophant base...

    Wacked out driven into the ocean California is not a great starting point to apply the litmus test of political affiliation / bona fiedes of "conservatism" - rest assured, Arnold Schwartzeneger does not imbue the ideological tenets of conservatism & is nothing more than a 'RINO'...
     
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    Have you considered the possibility that he is a real Republican and you’re a RINO?
     
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    I suppose that would require the US Constitution to have morphed into something resembling Pravda... Now wouldn't it? :) silly, silly, silly....

    When there is an immutable standard ~ there is only so much 'ambiguity' that can exist... applies to the Bible as well.
     
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    I am not aware that the constitution defines what a “real” Republican is. Or mentions Republicans at all.

    In recent years, Trump supporters have taken to calling Republicans “RINOs” if they don’t give full and unqualified support to trump. That’s a cult of personality. Support for trump is your only measure of what it means to be a Republican.

    Schwarzenegger, the Lincoln Project and many othe life long and true Republicans disagree with you. Many of them say that it is trump and many of his supporters who are RINOs. Maybe it’s time for you to find a new party.
     
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    grapeape Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Hunter Bidens "laptop" was another Galliani false flag operation. It was meant to influence the election. Donald Trump sent Gulianni to Ukraine, along with a team of people to get dirt on Biden 2 years ago. Trump called Zelenski to try to get him to help get dirt on Biden and was impeached for it. And you think that if the FBI had evidence of ANY of that that they wouldn't have used it ?

    C'mon Chris, your a good poster and a smart guy.......
     
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    I'm not saying that there would be evidence of Biden corruption, but I'm also not saying that the laptop doesn't exist. Do you actually think that the laptop doesn't even exist? Don't you wonder why Hunter or Joe didn't come out and say that the laptop doesn't exist? C'mon grapeape, your a good poster and a smart guy!
     
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    grapeape Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    They didn’t come out because that would lend credence to the story. AND, If the FBI had the laptop for the period that they claimed, if there was something on it it would have been front page news. The right in this country spent the last 4 years claiming that the left used the FBI, and the Justice department in a witch hunt against Donald Trump, yet the left wasnt in power. So if Trump is the one with the power, and they had evidence of even the smallest corruption, they would have used it.
     
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    By merely saying that the laptop doesn't exist? Are you under the impression that there was NO response from the Biden campaign?

    So you're promoting a conspiracy theory, that the FBI are part of a fabricated story. Nice!

    No, it's that the left (Obama) used the FBI, and the Justice department in a witch hunt against Donald Trump before he became President, and the investigation continued into his Presidency. Surely you know that an investigation into the Trump campaign began before he became President.

    Why are you assuming that Trump was in direct control of the FBI?
     
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    Just thought I'd check in on you, to see how you're doing. You sounded a bit despondent there, at the end. But, as someone who's been to that place-- where you need some chocolate just to get out of bed-- let me assure you, you don't want those kinds of stains on your pillow.

    Loss of hope removes the incentive to even try, depleting one's enthusiasm for life, resulting in ennui and leading, ultimately, to depression & decline; or else to internet radicalization, & QAnon.

    That would be a real shame.

    While it is my hope that this was only a transitory mental state, as we all experience, I will suggest that if one's view of life becomes too negative, it is probably worth revisiting one's base conceptual constructs, which frame one's view of the world. Some well-placed, philosophical tweaks might displace a lot of excess stress. And with that liberated energy, you could discern a course of action in which, rather than being just a witness to a wipe out, or being enveloped in the darkness of a coming storm, you are fighting to bring the more practical of your ideals into the light, as something of a hero, in this drama (like Arnold, in the video). You could think of yourself, privately, as Q.A-Nerd!
     
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    Their are "emails" that were "released" yet the justice department, nor the FBI has said they were from a laptop. And only the Wall Street Journal, and FOX were given access to them. The "emails" released show no ties to Joe Biden, that even Fox News corroborates. But the key here is that we dont know if they came from a laptop.

    Oh FFS. The entire thing is a "conspiracy". Gullianni produces "pictures" of all the pertinent documents, including the "subpoena", yet cant actually produce the actual documents.

    Claiming I am promoting a "conspiracy" is beyond laughable. The entire story is a conspiracy cooked up by Guillani, and swallowed whole by the rabid right. It is NOT conspiratorial to say that if any of this was true, they would have used it in the election. It's all just cooked up BS from Rudy. Here we are 6 months later and its a non-story. And its a non-story because their is no their there....

    You dont get to revise history. Obama NEVER spied on the campaign. NEVER !!!!!!! You guys always leave out that they had a FISA warrant on Carter Page, that was secured BEFORE he joined the Trump campaign. And the warrant only allowed them to mine data from Page when he was communicating with citizens of a foreign country, thats what a FISA warrant is. There was never an investigation into the Trump campaign until he fired Comey. You're literally making things up. The original investigation by the FBI was into Russian interference in the election, the investigation into the Trump campaign didn't start until the special counsel was appointed because Trump fired Comey. Which was AFTER he became president.

    So YOU make the claim that Obama was doing that, but Trump wouldn't do that? Your making a joke right ?
     
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    You are the one that is juggling history and timelines, not chris155au. Have you been in a cave these past years, not read any media? Ever hear of Operation Crossfire, the FBI investigation into the Trump campaign? It is true that the FBI, NSC, and the National Security Agency were investigating Russian interference through computer hacking, until Obama's NSA told them to stop because if they proved anything solid it would taint Hillary's certain win. It would also be a big help if you understood FISA warrants.
     
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    OH FFS....enlighten us as to what s FISA warrant is....
     
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    You mean just like we don't know where Trump's tax returns came from? You obviously took that super seriously given your participation in this thread: http://www.politicalforum.com/index...no-income-taxes-in-10-of-past-15-years.579025

    What would you have expected if they were real? Gullianni to come out waving the original documents in the air at a press conference? Also, were Trump's tax returns able to be produced? Or were they just pictures?

    And swallowed whole by a politicised FBI according to you. THAT is a conspiracy theory. If the FBI were involved in this false story, that would be a conspiracy between Trump and the FBI. THAT is your theory. Therefore, THAT is a conspiracy theory.

    What the hell are you talking about? They DID use it in the election! It's pretty much all that Trump talked about in the second debate!

    6 months? The story came out in October!

    He spied on members of the campaign. Are you disputing that?

    It's irrelevant that the warrant was issued before he joined the campaign, because subsequent warrants were taken out, in which 17 errors were made.

    No, there was never an investigation into Trump personally until he fired Comey.

    You're getting things wrong.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crossfire_Hurricane_(FBI_investigation)
    Crossfire Hurricane was the code name for the counterintelligence investigation undertaken by the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) from July 31, 2016 to May 17, 2017 into links between Trump associates and Russian officials and "whether individuals associated with Donald Trump's presidential campaign were coordinating, wittingly or unwittingly, with the Russian government's efforts to interfere in the 2016 U.S. presidential election".[1] Trump was not personally under investigation until May 2017, when his firing of FBI director James Comey raised suspicions of obstruction of justice.[2]

    Just because the FBI were investigating Trump doesn't mean that the FBI was in direct control of Obama. However, you're trying to say that just because Trump was in power, he had direct control of the FBI.
     
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    What are you talking about? The Capitol riot was JUST like Kristallnacht, when rioters destroyed 267 synagogues, murdered at least 91 Jews, destroyed or damaged over 7,000 Jewish businesses, and 30,000 Jewish men were arrested and incarcerated in concentration camps! ABSOLUTELY IDENTICAL! Perhaps the useless Arnie was referring to the months long BLM riots, which were MUCH closer to Kristallnacht! :roflol:
     
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    The single event at the Capital was terrible but 1 event. The govt wasn’t slowed down and was back as soon as the people left.

    What BLM and ANtifa have done is so much worse as a whole in regards to cost, death, injuries and long term consequences. Downtowns are obliterated. Businesses are gone. So much more death caused. Cops executed in their cars due to the nonstop rhetoric the MSM and Democrats have unloaded.
     
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