U.S. Senate Republican leader McConnell says Trump 'provoked' Jan. 6 riot

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  1. Zorro

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    How can you completely miss the point and then prattle on for 5 paragraphs? You think because we funded a program previously that its now sacrosanct and must forever be refunded? Just what in hell do you think is the point of annual reauthorizations of funding? How many times do I have to educate you before you understand that we require reauthorization IN ORDER TO REEVALUATE THEIR PRIORITY AND NECESSITY?

    You are defending McConnell's decision to prioritize this type of foreign aid spending over additional aid for Americans, but, you actually have not listed a single reason WHY it is more important than relief for Americans.

    Do you want to try again?
     
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    Your 'problem' and indeed the problem for all Americans who believe the election was 'stolen' is that you have the entire process arse about. Your starting position is that there was definitely electoral fraud and that its just a matter of gathering the evidence to prove it. That's not how fraud investigations, be they financial, electoral or any other type work. Never have, never will. The starting position for all fraud investigations is an audit of the financial records/systems in question. Because until that is done you don't know whether in fact a fraud has actually occurred or indeed might still be ongoing.

    Now if its the case that irregularities/anomalies are discovered as a result of that audit then and only then does a criminal investigation proceed. Evidence first then the investigation - the exact opposite of what Trump supporters are doing and demanding. Don't believe me. Here's a simple test for you.

    Go down to your bank tomorrow and tell them you have been the victim of a fraud, $10,000 USD was stolen and demand compensation. You know it, you believe it. First thing they'll do is audit your account to see if the amount you claim has actually been stolen. If it has? Fine the investigation into who, how what commences. If however there is no evidence that you've been defrauded? You'll get your 10,000 from them when hell freezes over. See how it works? Complaint, audit, investigation (assuming illegalities are found) in that order.

    And here's the thing. Multiple audits (recounts) of the election results were conducted by Republican lead State Governments and electoral commissions. They found no evidence of fraud. They've recounted the votes and checked the procedures used by staff during the count. The Department of Homeland Security has found no evidence of digital interference with electoral systems and checks of the electoral machines used have found no anomalies. All of which is part of an audit process. An audit that has to discover evidence of fraud first before any investigation can commence into who, what, how etc.

    But we'll forget all that. You say the affidavits, video and statistical evidence exists, fine - just give it all to Trumps lawyers, State Electoral Authorities or Investigators tied up in a big pink ribbon. Problem solved. Though its funny no-one has bothered to do that yet, isn't it?
     
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    YOUR QUOTE: McConnell signed off on pork for the world, even funding for transgender programs for Pakistan

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    Once again, USAID does not sponsor transgender programs. Over several decades, they have/are sponsoring Gender Equality Progams, such as; EDECUTATING GIRLS, thus, I don't know why TRUMPERS beleived we were funding a foreign program that transgendered boys to girls, or girls to boys????????????

    In addition to the above, Paskistan's $10 million gender programs equates to;

    Cost of Trump's $2,000 stimulus checks; $500 billion

    Number of Recipients; 73 million individuals, 78 million couples, and 40 million children under 17, thus 260 million

    260 million X FOUR CENTS = $10.4 million

    THEY'VE angrily jumped off their rocking chairs over FOUR ****en CENTS!
     
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    We never had communism. We never will have communism.
    We have the constitution. It served extremely well over the fake fraud election claim and the constitution kept the law of the land in tact.

    Your communism claim is nothing but fear mongering. It served no other purpose
     
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    The USSC with 3 recent appointees are corrupt?

    Please provide your proof.
     
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    Here's my proof.

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    Take that, you Bigfoot deniers!
     
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    Oh sure, $10.4M here, $10.4M there and the first thing you know you are talking about real money. If Congress' money supply is so constricted that they don't have a sufficient amount to assist Americans forcibly locked out of their jobs, then Pakistan should get ZERO from Congress for their gender programs. What part of "American's First" do you not understand? Do you think this money belongs to Congress? No. It's OUR money, they are authorized to distribute a portion of it for OUR benefit. Why in all that is holy is a Pakistanian gender program more important than an American out of work because their state has asked them to stop working for the good of their society?

    Further you math is more self-serving than a reflection of reality.

    First, the $2,000 is actually $1400. Using your math, if $500B = $2000 per entitled American, then $1400 = $350B.

    But Forbes puts the cost of $2,000 checks at $250B so it looks like the actual number for $1400 is more like $175B

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/ryangu...ost-a-staggering-10-trillion/?sh=568073b950d0

    Pork in the bill McConnell signed off on.

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    Techno Fog

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    The Stimulus Bill: The gov't closes the economy. You lose your job. You face eviction. $600 for all your troubles. Meanwhile they send:
    $135 million to Burma
    $85.5 million to Cambodia
    $1.4 billion for "Asia Reassurance Initiative Act"
    $130 million to Nepal

    They hate you.

    Those amounts plus the Pakistani Gender Studies $10M = $1.761B

    Yes. Zero out that crap and add it to the relief checks for Americans. How can you folks simultaneously argue that $600 is inadequate and that this crap takes precedence over relief for Americans? I've asked you this question a few times and you seem to not want to answer it.

    Why does Nepal, Asia, Cambodia, Burma, and Pakistan aid come before American Workers, whose money it is we are distributing? Your point is "It's so little you'll never miss it," dodges the question.

    I truly do not understand your fixation with putting these folks ahead of Americans, but, if you can coherently explain yourself, I'll give you the courtesy of hearing you out.
     
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    I do not think McConnell is the leader the GOP needs right now. He seems more bent on blaming Trump for McConnell losing the Senate than he is on the self-reflection that would show him that it was McConnell, not Trump who put foreigners ahead of American workers. He gleefully signed of yet another pork-filled bill funding all kinds of rediculous things and then suddenly became very "conserned" about the deficit when the funding got to relief for Americans.

    We need to peacefully and lawfully resist the Left's agenda until we regain power. Now is not the time for group hugs with the folks that endlessly slander us.
    https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2021/01/resist-joe-biden-2.php
     
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    Biden is not a guy who gets things right.
    He is not very bright.
    The current incarnation of Biden is hard left — harder left than Obama presented himself during his presidency.
    In our principled resistance to Biden, we will not treat him like the Left treated Trump. We will be honest in our treatment of Biden. We will not invent things. We will not lie.

    If we conclude Biden is right about something, we say he is wrong. And, in the unlikely event that the “something” is a matter of major importance, we will say he is right.

    McConnell, in his heart, is a swamp player. I don't think is the right leader for the GOP at this point. He is more set on blaming Trump than represent us. If that's his mindset, he needs to go.
     
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    Nuthin' but 'ol Mitch reverting to his true nature... R1ea81ccad109bb52c679d44e6eff4ddb.gif
     
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    Yes indeed. Let's squash all opposing speech. That's the answer.
     
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    Do you even know (or have any idea) what the purpose of the ARIA is?

    Or is that just something that in came across and decided to post it here?

    I have to admit, your convoluted attempt to make a "point" was losing me for awhile.

    BUT, then some month-old copypasta from somebody named "Techno Fog" (on Twitter) really brought it home.:bored:

    Anyway, back to the actual OP Topic, McConnell just said what everybody had KNOWN (Since Jan.6th).

    “The mob was fed lies. They were provoked by the president and other powerful people,” McConnell said in a speech on the Senate floor.

    ^McConnell tells the World that "The Pacific Ocean contains Water" and "1+1=2".
     
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    Quote: Why does Nepal, Asia, Cambodia, Burma, and Pakistan aid come before American Workers, whose money it is we are distributing?

    Whose money it is we are distributing?

    Borrowed money! Thus, certainly not my money, and not yours.

    Mandatory spending is estimated to be $2.966 trillion for FY 2021

    https://www.thebalance.com/current-federal-mandatory-spending-3305772#:~:text=Mandatory spending is estimated to,more than the military budget.

    And in FY2020, Uncle Sam collected;

    Individual Income Taxes $1,609 Trillion
    Social Insurance & Retirement $1,310 Trillion
    Corporation Income Taxes $212 billion
    Misc. $117 billion
    Excise taxes $87 billion
    Custom duties, $69 billion
    Estate and gift taxes, $18 billion

    Total; $3,420 trillion

    https://www.fiscal.treasury.gov/files/reports-statements/mts/mts0920.pdf

    In addition, interest payments on the national debt are not categorized as a mandatory expense, but as an obligated payment, it becomes part of mandated spending. FY2020 interest payments; $345 billion

    In other words, Uncle Sam's Total Receipts nearly equates to our Madatory Expenditures. and Interest Payments.

    Now that Biden is POTUS, will Trump's loyalists/Republicans worry about the debt we're passing on to our grand children?

    Anyway, I will not elaborate further as this thread is about;

    U.S. Senate Republican leader McConnell says Trump 'provoked' Jan. 6 riot
     
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    That has all already been done.
     
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    True, the USA was never a communist country.

    The newly founded SOA will have it before long. It already has socialism, and is an oligarchy, so communism is right around the corner...

    ... but it doesn't get followed anymore...

    No, it was rejected.

    No, it is what is happening around you.
     
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    Yes, the USSC is corrupt (besides Alito and Thomas, and idk about Trump's appointees yet, but things aren't looking too good atm...)
     
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    I am not naive. There will never be Communism in USA.
     
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    Then you have to ask yourself why investigations into alleged electoral fraud have gone no-where. Option (A) is that those allegations have no merit. Investigators looked at the 'evidence' provided by the various witnesses concerned and reached the conclusion that it does not, in total lead to a reasonable suspicion that fraud had in fact been committed.

    Option (2) is that multiple investigators and lawyers across multiple jurisdictions are going forsake their oaths and deliberately choose to cover up evidence of a conspiracy to overturn the legitimate will of the American people in the recent election. That leads to one obvious question.

    If you were one of those office holders would you breach your oath of office in their position. Lets assume for a moment you have been presented with clear and absolute evidence that electoral fraud had been committed by the Republican party. Lets also assume you are in the position to bury that evidence if you choose to do so. So the question is. Would you do it?

    Honestly? I suspect you wouldn't. You don't strike me as that kind of person. (And yes, I could be wrong as I only only have your posts to go on, just like you only have mine.)

    But, that aside. If you aren't that kind of person the question then becomes - what makes you think all those (multiple) office holders are that kind of person? Why would scores if not hundreds of State electoral officials, lawyers and investigators (most of them in Republican dominated States) betray their oaths?
     
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    Despite Occams obvious answer to this question trump true believers simply refuse to consider the possibility that fraud of such magnitude involving such a large number of people remaining secret approaches zero. In their minds if an official comes to the conclusion that the election was on the up and up then they're in on the scam - corrupt full stop. And these people seem to really believe it. It's insane. Poll workers, election officials, lawyers, judges, politicians, even the damn voting software companies, why, they're ALL in on it! And yet not a single shred of concrete evidence. No whistle blower from this universe of hundreds or thousands of conspirators? No recovered laptop with incriminating email from blind repairmen? Nothing (other than true believers giving affidavits that they saw something) ?
    If two people can keep a secret if one is dead then how do you keep a national conspiracy to steal a presidency under wraps?
    No, a person would need to be naive and, frankly, stupid to believe trump would have won if not for widespread fraud.
     
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    Stupidity perhaps (lot of that going around), but I see it as a coping mechanism. Unfortunately, I can't post my exact ideas on this - TOS ya know - but we see this kind of behavior every day. It comes from a "deep need" which is harmful.

    Never before have I seen so many people "acquire" such a "deep need" over a POTUS.

    Additionally, the study of psychology shows us that for many people, it's much easier to continue believing the Big Lie than it is to admit you've been conned.
     
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    I think you're right, good points.
     
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    And, don't forget:

    This '"massive fraud" Operation was So Epic, that they let the GOP Gain House Seats, they Let Susan Collins Win in Maine, and they let the GOP Win Control of several State legislatures--JUST to throw them off the scent.

    That is some real 999 Quadrillion-D Chess there.

    Those Dems be Hella Tricky.
     
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    Correct, as the USA no longer exists... In the SOA, however, there WILL be communism... The SOA currently has a CCP agent as Prime Minister.
     
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    Please correct me if I'm wrong, but you seem to be saying that Mitch owes something to Trump. That even if he did something wrong, he deserves loyalty.
     
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    "When Trump won the presidency in 2016 he also got them the house and senate."

    ^Huh? Lolwut?:roflol:


    Before Trump was elected, the GOP enjoyed healthy margins in Both Houses.

    In the Election of 2016, while retaining control, the GOP suffered net losses of -6 in the House and -3 in the Senate.

    Thus, why are you claiming that:

    "When Trump won the presidency in 2016 he also got them the house and senate."

    ^Not sure where you got that claim from.

    Then in 2018, having Trump at the top of the ticket--Led to catastrophic losses in the House and flipped the House to the Dems.
     

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