China's economy grows 6.5% in Q4 as country rebounds from coronavirus

America had the most testing out of any nation.

Pelosi refused to believe that coronavirus was a real thing when she criticized trump administration's travel ban and traveled to china town maskless.

 

Hardly, just like I don't blame any other leader of any other country on this planets other then CHINER The rest of your post was prolly just as ridiculous as the first line so I' stopped there

 

I love the irony, really I DO So if you are such a huge fan of travel restrictions where is your outrage with CHINER allowing international travel from that country when they knew that COVID-19 was being transmitted human to human in December 2019, or earlier for all you know!

Believe me if not so sad it be hilarious how the DNC roll around with their foot in their mouths trying to protect CHINER when the simple answer was THEY, XI, CHINER and the WHO should have AS YOU SAY "RESTRICTED TRAVEL" from their country in DECEMBER 2019

But it's wonderful to see you have all the answers, although now you just need to pin them to the right people..

 

Most countries had a united fight against the Virus

The United States didn't because Trump used it as political ................ Resulting in 400,000 Dead Americans

Bodies are now piling up at hospitals ........... funeral;ls homes have a waiting List.

I believe the USA .............. Not Trump because of his inaction

 

I believe in the USA as well, not in the authoritarian actions of mayors and governors who forced businesses to close. That is what caused the economic decline. The dead piling up are caused by a virus. But I appreciate your off topic input.

 

Did Trump cause New York to auction off their emergency stash of ventilators?
Why did so many New Yorkers, who hate Trump, listen to Trump early on?
Why is it ok for Jon Zelner, an epidemiologist at the University of Michigan, to say that New York had a high number of cases because they did a good job of testing more people, yet when Trump says that, he's berated?
Why is it Trumps fault for Cuomo sending thousands of covid patients to nursing homes?

The world wants to know.

 

You're talking about January.

And, that makes your critiisms no ore than political BS.

 

America is NOT subservient to China.

We have our very own Depatment of Defense, for example.

WE have the authority to restrict travel to the USA - not WHO and not China.

And, I'm not necessarily touting a total shutdow of travel. There are a number of steps that we could have taken and did not take. We did NO screening of incoming travelers. We took NO screening measures. We made NO requirements of traelers. We did NO tracing of these travelers.

And after we had put some travel restrictions in place for those coming from China, we still allowed people to travel to and from China.

You seem REALLY confused aout the very basics of national defense. WE are the ones responsible for OUR national defense.

 

How would you screen incoming travelers? I know for a fact that the vast majority of spreaders do not have a fever. Would you have been willing to quarantine 100% of travelers for two weeks, by force, until their test came back negative? What exact steps should have been taken if not simply stopping all travel? Even then, I don't think it would have mattered, maybe just delayed the inevitable. Maybe we should have done what Biden is doing now? Make masks mandatory on government property? Yea, that is going to fix it. You guys are too simple minded and too easy to blame Trump for everything with no solution of your own.

 

I don't think Biden made masks mandatory on government property because he thought that would have a direct and significant impact on covid cases. He did it to set an example.

 

So he isn't doing anything really is what you are saying.

 

Well that's your mentality, and believe me your not alone in that belief.. BUT, once the CHINERS ignored the warning in 2019 the entire world was brought to their knee's..

Then again, the simple fact that the DNC consistently ignores the facts and continually shields the CHINERS from fault MIGHT suggest that at the very least are in some mysterious way "Subservient" to them.. There must be some weird allegiance the DNC hold with the Chicoms or they would hold them at some level of fault for not containing the virus when Taiwan reported their finding in December of human to human transmission..

 

I thinking setting an example is doing something.

It beats the conflicting messages from Trump where he said patriots wear masks but he, nor those around him, rarely did.

 

Ironically, that's exactly what China did and why the virus spread beyond their borders in the first place. Lol

 

BFD. I don't measure America by what other countries do.

UK, for example, is doing absolutely horribly, with more than twice the number of COVID deaths per 100,000. If they didn't do as much testing, that's on THEM ...

... and, it is NOT an excuse for us, like you want it to be.

Trump ended federal support for testing.

And, one result is that we've NEVER had the level of testing specified by the plan for opening our economy that CDC posted on Whitehouse.gov.

 

You need to think that through.

We accepted people flying here from China - and TOO China. The restrictions we put in place did not stop that.

Suggesting that China should have refused to allow Americans to fly to America is just plain stupid.

 

We did almost zero to restrict travel between China and the US. We did NOTHING to restrict travel with Europe, thus the vast majority of the COVID strains infecting the USA came from EUROPE.

Over time, we became better able to screen, but failed to put those capabilities in practice.

Yes, some COVID will get by with most of what we can do. But, the idea behind most of the ways we have of fighting transmission has to do with reduction, not elimination. We allowed huge spikes by being monumentally irresponsible.

Science based medicine states that wearing masks reduces transmission.

These ARE solutions. They just aren't perfect. What they do is reduce the numbers. That leaves more people alive while we develope vaccines, find protocols for saving lives in hospitals. It means our healthdare workers aren't so overwhelmed that they are dying due to lack of PPE, etc.

But, deciding that sincce there is no perfect solution we should be monumentally irresponsible is just plain stupid.

We had these surges for ONE reason - we, right here in the USA, were STUPID.

 

No. We were brought to our knees becaus WE were STUPID.

I'm all in favor of figuring out EXACTLY what happened in China, how that can be made to never happen again, etc.

AND, we absolutely should chastise China for their misbehavior, because chastising China is SO amazingly effective!!

Plus, if we can chastise them hard enough, maybe people won't notice what a CRAP job WE are doing - even right now!

 

Not sure I ever suggested that...

 

The ideas you suggest hasn't worked. Why are liberal states like New York and California having huge spikes just like the conservative states? If this is Trump's fault, I would not expect liberal states to be having surges. The surges have come and gone with really no explanation. People don't suddenly stop wearing masks but that's what the arguments seem to imply. As I've stated before, I'm pro-mask provided it's the right kind of mask. early on, the science was saying that any mask was ok. Then they showed that single layer masks and gators were worse than no mask. The WHO stated that masks didn't work, then they changed their mind. The science has changed over time. That's what science does.

All I'm saying is that we can't explain all of what has happened and why the US is hit so hard but I can tell you that it wouldn't have been all ok if someone else were the POTUS last year. Maybe a little better but probably not much. We are an overweight country and this virus hits overweight people the hardest. We could have stocked up on ventilators like we planned in 2000 but we didn't or we got rid of the ones we had. PPE does have a shelf life so we couldn't really stock up on that stuff just to let it go bad before we used it. We relied on China and they screwed everyone. They should be held accountable at some point when this is all over. I doubt that it will happen.

We should have shut down all travel but we didn't.

Those are all lessons learned and hopefully we'll do better next time. Blaming one person is just silly and ignorant though but knock yourself out.

 

I don't see what else you could have meant when you stated that China travel policy allowed us to get infected.

China didn't block flights to America. And, neither did America.

You can't blame that on China.

 

If you want to know why some state spiked at some particular time you have to do a WHOLE lot better than to check out what party is in the majority in that state.

 

We should have set up some kind of quarantine for those citizens who returned and refused non-citizens.

 

I agree, and you have to do a whole lot more than say, "wear a mask".

 

I think that would have been one solid idea. But, I suspect our facilities for that would have been overwhelmed.

The number of people who flew here from China AFTER the lame restrictions that were put in place turns out to have been LARGE.

Three are indications that there were something like 60 flights from China per day if you just count the flights into NYC, Los Angeles and San Francisco. Given the time needed for meaningful quarnantine, that would have been a huge task - quite possibly impossible.

Also, there is the problem that in all but 1 state, the majority of those with COVID caught strains that came from EUROPE. So, evern perfect execution on flights from China might have been meaningless.

China travel was only a small percent of the problem. Our failure to stem the tide from Europe was a bigger deal.

We needed a much more comprehensive plan. And, I'm sure that would not have prevented COVID from coming here, but it probably would have reduced the numbers - which we could have then worked to keep as low as possible using the tools we have had.

I don't believe this is the kind of problem that has a silver bullet. It's more like we have to use the whole range of tools we have, each helping to some extent.