China's economy grows 6.5% in Q4 as country rebounds from coronavirus

Discussion in 'Current Events' started by Kode, Jan 18, 2021.

  1. WillReadmore

    WillReadmore Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 21, 2013
    Messages:
    59,467
    Likes Received:
    16,350
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Amen to that.

    We needed a comprehensive nation wide voice on what is reqired - with state and local government echoing that and working out the details related to more local issues.

    This is still an issue, by the way.

    Maybe even more importantly, this will NOT be the last pandemic we face. These novel viruses are entering the human population on a continuing basis. We had at least a couple during the Obama administration. And, there is trail farther back.

    We need to see this pandemic as having been a learning experience.

    We need a comprehensive plan on how we will react to the next pandemic.
     
  2. Par10

    Par10 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 23, 2019
    Messages:
    4,228
    Likes Received:
    3,735
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Agreed. However, we do have Airforce bases that could have been utilized instead of the standard airports. We have those all over the US and flights from wherever could have been diverted. Again, this is all hindsight and politicians on both sides would have had to work together with the public health as their concern and not their donors, or their party, or anyone else. That will never happen. The chances of hell freezing over would have been better than Pelosi working with Trump or visa-versa.
     
  3. Chuck711

    Chuck711 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 27, 2017
    Messages:
    3,756
    Likes Received:
    2,365
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Trump doesn't need any help doing that. He does that all by himself

    The chaotic mess that surrounds Trump has almost destroyed America

    Anyone can disassemble or destroy

    It takes a Leader to create to solve problems

    President Biden has the character to Build America .............. not destroy
     
  4. Chuck711

    Chuck711 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 27, 2017
    Messages:
    3,756
    Likes Received:
    2,365
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male

    Trump got it all wrong thinking the business can stay open in the midst of a Pandemic

    Business can't afford to stay solvent with 60 % drop in revenue ............. it's just a slow agonizing death

    Fight the Virus all out.......... not a half-hearted effort ...........and win................ Then business can open up
     
    ronv, RickJay, Cosmo and 1 other person like this.
  5. HTownMarine

    HTownMarine Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jun 12, 2013
    Messages:
    8,348
    Likes Received:
    4,155
    Trophy Points:
    113
    I meant China downplayed the virus, which is why I bolded what I did.

    They covered it up for weeks. Do you think if we found a new super infectious virus here in the US we'd try to hide it for weeks? This is 100% squarely on them.

    The virus isn't their fault, but the spread of the virus 100% is. They knew weeks before anyone else and said nothing.

    So, yes, I can blame China.
     
    Last edited: Jan 21, 2021
  6. WillReadmore

    WillReadmore Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 21, 2013
    Messages:
    59,467
    Likes Received:
    16,350
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Claiming we WOULD HAVE done something different had we only know is pure CRAP.

    We DID know. And, we did NOTHING.

    The majority of the COVID virus that is here came through Europe. We knew full well that Europe was seriously infected and we did NOTHING.

    Now you want to "blame China"? That's the lamest excuse possible. WE got us here.
     
  7. VanCleef

    VanCleef Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 24, 2017
    Messages:
    4,265
    Likes Received:
    3,546
    Trophy Points:
    113
    It was mostly due to a poor national response, which we still had by even his final month. This is according to peer reviewed studies and medical journals. He's the reason it got so bad.
     
    WillReadmore likes this.
  8. WillReadmore

    WillReadmore Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 21, 2013
    Messages:
    59,467
    Likes Received:
    16,350
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Now, you want to dump on Pelosi?? Trump didn't even work with McConnell.

    Remember that it was Trump who took a stab at stopping travel with Europe. He didn't need the legislature.

    And, that was a total cluster, with large crowds of travelers from Europe crammed into small spaces with Homeland Security totally unprepared to do the screening that was called for.

    That created superspreader events in several US airports - European and American travelers, packed shoulder to shoulder with no masks.

    And, subsequent to that, it was still possible to fly to/from Europe and China.
     
  9. ButterBalls

    ButterBalls Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 2, 2016
    Messages:
    51,199
    Likes Received:
    37,535
    Trophy Points:
    113
    If you say so, but it seems some us are still stuck and having great difficulty finding their way out of that rut ;)

    ALL hail Xi and the CHINERS, right ;)
     
  10. EMTdaniel86

    EMTdaniel86 Banned

    Joined:
    Apr 8, 2011
    Messages:
    9,380
    Likes Received:
    4,403
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    So again, democrat governors shunting down their states didn't have any effect on the economy?
     
  11. fmw

    fmw Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 21, 2009
    Messages:
    37,751
    Likes Received:
    14,562
    Trophy Points:
    113
    No, closing the businesses in the first place was the problem. It added a second crisis to the one we were fighting half heartedly. We could have fought the virus half heartedly with the businesses open. It helped nothing other than the egos of the politicians and the revenue of businesses that didn't close.
     
  12. Pred

    Pred Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 18, 2011
    Messages:
    24,349
    Likes Received:
    17,341
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Democrsts don’t understand that economies are regional. FL for example is doing much better than NY or CA. The president doesn’t control states closing or opening the economy. FL suffered like everyone did and businesses have closed. But it’s nothing compared to what blue states have done. And now Biden is going to hand all those failed states money to fix the problems they created at the expense of the states that were more reasonable and logical.
     
  13. Chuck711

    Chuck711 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 27, 2017
    Messages:
    3,756
    Likes Received:
    2,365
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Wrong.

    Close down and Fight the Virus.

    If you don't it's a slow death for Business and American Lives

    Then open up and everyone can make a Lot of money

    It requires all Americans to be real Patriots and follow rules

    Afterwards everyone can go back to their Lives
     
  14. Par10

    Par10 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 23, 2019
    Messages:
    4,228
    Likes Received:
    3,735
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    How do people pay the rent on their businesses when they are shut down? How do people pay the mortgage? Make their car payment? People have worked all their life to build a business and then lose everything. Think about that, they lose everything. They probably could have worked with the government to provide a safe place to eat, drink, play, shop, or whatever but now there is nothing.

    The government could have helped them but instead, they sent the money to people who still had jobs. Instead of a helping hand, they offer loans. A lot of people don't like to take out huge loans when they have no income and may not have a shop next month. Then there is the time frame. How long will they be shut down? No one knows. Try to plan around that.
     
  15. Distraff

    Distraff Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 4, 2011
    Messages:
    10,833
    Likes Received:
    4,092
    Trophy Points:
    113
    The economies of nearly every developed nation has been hit very hard. This is because lockdowns and social distancing hurt the economy, and that is what happens during pandemics.

    China's numbers are so good because 1: Its GDP growth was really solid before the pandemic, 2: Their government is probably lying to a certain extent, and 3: They did a full-quarantine and employed authoritarian measures no other country did.
     
    RickJay likes this.
  16. fmw

    fmw Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 21, 2009
    Messages:
    37,751
    Likes Received:
    14,562
    Trophy Points:
    113
    You are indeed. The business closures didn't prevent the virus spreading. It just cost people their jobs and their dreams.
     
  17. Chuck711

    Chuck711 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 27, 2017
    Messages:
    3,756
    Likes Received:
    2,365
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    6 weeks of a complete shutdown that Everyone would Social distance and wear mask would Stop the Virus

    as other Nations have been successful

    What doesn't work is make it Political and incite people to ignore safe guidelines and prolong the Life of the Virus

    Last March's shutdown would have done this ......... except Trump incited his followers to go against the guidelines

    Most business have received " Loans " that do not have to be paid back

    The country has pulled together to fight world wars that's Lasted for years ............ 6 weeks is a small price
     
  18. Shonyman32

    Shonyman32 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 23, 2018
    Messages:
    1,557
    Likes Received:
    743
    Trophy Points:
    113
    I'm not talking about January. That was february and march while they were acting like fools and criticizing things the administration were doing to protect the people.
     
  19. Shonyman32

    Shonyman32 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 23, 2018
    Messages:
    1,557
    Likes Received:
    743
    Trophy Points:
    113
    I personally dont think we ever should have shutdown nor do I think to this day that it is as big of a deal as the collective made it but that doesnt matter just like the cdc recomendation. We still had the most testing in any country.
     
  20. Shonyman32

    Shonyman32 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 23, 2018
    Messages:
    1,557
    Likes Received:
    743
    Trophy Points:
    113
    President biden has already cut 64000 american jobs and has done so many executive orders stalin would be proud. Biden is not building america at all. His policies do not strength us they hurt is but they make his base happy.
     
  21. Professor Peabody

    Professor Peabody Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Apr 19, 2008
    Messages:
    94,819
    Likes Received:
    15,788
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Sounds like they already had a vaccine for the virus they created.
     
  22. Pred

    Pred Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 18, 2011
    Messages:
    24,349
    Likes Received:
    17,341
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Please explain all the deaths and spikes in CA and NY if it was just Trump supporters? You need to follow the science. Already proven that mask or no mask, shutdown or not, it came back. The lockdowns were meant to slow spread, never stop it. It was to slow the curve to help hospitals.

    And compare FL with CA and the northeast. Who’s businesses are doing better? Who’s economies have faired better? And how many have died in comparison.

    Remember. Major Democrat leaders were NOT taking the virus serious at all in the beginning and they had the exact same information. NOTHING was hidden from them. Trying to cast blame on one side when the science and especially data prove otherwise is just... ignorant.
     
  23. Chuck711

    Chuck711 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 27, 2017
    Messages:
    3,756
    Likes Received:
    2,365
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    American who are tired of a year of death, Financial destruction and boredom need to Fight the Virus

    Wearing mask and social distancing will defeat the Virus
     
    WillReadmore and RickJay like this.
  24. Chuck711

    Chuck711 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 27, 2017
    Messages:
    3,756
    Likes Received:
    2,365
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    The Lockdowns were never adhered to due to Trump and Republicans who incited their followers to " rise up against the Lockdowns "

    Republican states with heavy Republican Legislatures are Leading the Nation where the Virus is winning

    Of the top 12 all but 4 are Republican ran

    California just has more population is doing better with it's numbers when population is Factored in

    Texas and Florida are Prime examples of where the Virus is Devastating

    I'm quite surprised Republicans question wearing and social distancing that has worked in all other successful nations

    But can't work in USA the most Devastated Nation in the World



    dd.JPG
     
    Last edited: Jan 24, 2021
  25. Pred

    Pred Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 18, 2011
    Messages:
    24,349
    Likes Received:
    17,341
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Don’t try cherry picking. It won’t help solve your delusion. CA and NY have faired worse. And go look at some EU countries. Republicans have never said NOT to wear masks or social distance. Everyone knows it helps and everyone acknowledges it. The difference is in the enforcement. Do you FORCE people or not. I can’t enter a most businesses without a mask in FL. And I never go out in public without one. Most people I see without masks in FL are minorities by the way. Probably NOT Republicans according to stats.

    Besides. Did you miss Biden and his officials walking around the capital without masks after his mandate? Nah. You probably didn’t see it because why would the MSM show Democrats being hypocrites:)

    Who’s paying you write this? Seriously.
     
    Last edited: Jan 24, 2021

Share This Page