Farewell address of President Trump

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  1. James California

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    ~ Are they more important ?
     
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    I understand that. I did mention the law of supply and demand.

    And yet government promised lower rates.

    I don't disagree. They should be ashamed of themselves.

    I don't think government should subsidize anything. I have always believed the government should practice equality rather than fairness. I can tell you that our mail woman explained one day that her father was worse off. He bought Obamacare and couldn't use it because of the sky high deductibles so he continues to go to the emergency room. Unintended consequences. Government has no way to fix itself or what it does.

    Those aren't exactly objective activities either.
     
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    They started the coup before Trump took office with the CIA/FBI using propaganda documents to illegally obtain FISA warrants on a "Russia collusion" story which was totally fabricated. They ended the coup with illegal election procedures.
     
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    Democrat Party leaders and Left State Media have a louder voice than yours, and they are saying his is. Did I even quote you?
     
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    Obviously
     
  6. LangleyMan

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    Presenting a video is not having a discussion.
     
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    It was a fine address.
     
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    They lied.
    Indeed.
    Interesting. You're against public education and/or school vouchers, too?

    If you're unwilling to subsidize healthcare premiums, you're saying tens of millions of Americans should do without healthcare coverage.

    Right-to-work laws that make it difficult for workers to organize into unions are a de facto subsidy to business. Are you opposed to right-to-work laws that make if difficult for workers to afford health insurance.
    Obamacare raised rates for some higher-income workers, but generally held down or cut rates for workers with modest incomes.
    Who said deciding is objective?
     
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    Propaganda Alert!
     
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    IMO, it would have been better to spell out exactly what he intended to do with 4 more years.
     
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    I have discussed the issue repeatedly.
    What specifically about the Portland/Seattle riots would you like to discuss?
     
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    ~ He has no idea. Neither does the Democratic party. Getting rid of Trump was the objective.
     
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    Who is responsible for the violence, against people and property, who is responsible for dealing with those perpetrating the violence, and how have the officials done--a report card on their job.

    The perps are the usual street thugs in Portland and Seattle. Both cities have had long-term problems--for more more than a century--with militant leftists. BLM are not the problem despite the self-serving Trumper propaganda.

    Violence typically follows peaceful protests when protest organizers go home.

    Local officials in Portland and Seattle have failed to crack down adequately on the perps. Washington governor Inslee to Seattle mayor Durkan: 'Shut down the autonomous zone or I will.' Now, that's what should be done.
     
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    IMO, it would have been impossible to get rid of Trump if he had stated a few specific popular objectives for a second term.
    I wonder who advised Trump to abandon the approach that won for him in 2016.
     
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    In fact, the news video of the protesters always shows BLM and AntiFa marching together.
    Do you support of federal troops or police to suppress the AntiFa/BLM protests?
     
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    Of course not. I'm not against government providing military protection for the country or food safety testing either. I'm against individual subsidies. Government should never write a check to an individual unless it is paying for something it bought, providing payroll or refunding tax over payments.

    No, that is what you say, not I. I think a simpler solution would have been to make everybody without insurance from an employer into a single group policy and let the insurance companies compete. It would actually reduce insurance costs for individuals.

    De facto my ass. They protect workers who don't want to join a union. They increase job availability for more people.

    You missed the point about the sky high deductibles which hurt lower income workers.


    Not I but I think purely emotional decisions (like Trump's new impeachment) should be avoided in the public domain.
     
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    I hope he does. It makes no sense at all to respond to violence by caving to the rioters' demands. The only thing that makes sense is responding with force.
     
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    Riots are easy to stopped with minimal force. The feds are not needed. Riots never occur without the tolerance and de-facto complicity of political leaders and their criminal justice system.
     
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    We agree. There can be no tolerance for rioting anywhere for any reason. period. The politicians in Seattle, Portland etc should be prosecuted.
     
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    ‘Another Kind Of Insurrection’: Trump Castigated For Scheme With DOJ Lawyer To Oust Acting AG

    "A Justice Department attorney is said to have schemed with former President Trump to oust the acting attorney general as part of a plan to force lawmakers in Georgia to overturn the state’s 2020 presidential election results.

    The New York Times was the first to report on Friday that Jeffrey Clark had plotted with Trump to push out acting Attorney General Jeffrey Rosen after Rosen refused the former president’s calls to carry out his plans. The Washington Post also later confirmed the previously unknown episode in the deeply-rooted corruption effort.

    The bombshell report, comes after the House voted to impeach Trump in the wake of efforts to incite an insurrection on the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6, and hours after the Senate set plans for its own impeachment proceedings against the ex-president to begin during the week of Feb. 8."
    https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/...-for-scheme-with-doj-lawyer-to-oust-acting-ag

    Gee, Don didn't mention this in his address.
     
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    So you want to live in a police state?
    Why not move to one then?
     
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    I have always assumed that the people of our DP ruled urban hell holes elected their leaders.
    I am not so sure of that now.
     
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    Nonsense. Look at the crowd in this video...



    Antifa? No. The protestors, many in shorts, aren't coming to do battle with the police.

    BTW, I don't think the BLM anti-police shtick is good politics.
    I reject conflating BLM with Antifa. It's propaganda.

    Federal troops aren't necessary in Portland. State police and the National Guard are adequate for doing what's needed. That said, I wouldn't hesitate to use federal troops if needed to keep the peace.
     
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    so you're blaming Mayors and Councilmembers across the board?
     
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    The best part, couple days after the moms should up and were tear gassed by trumps unmarked brown shirts, the 'Dad's showed up with leaf blowers and blew the tear gas right back at the brown shirts!
    It was epic!
     

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