China Health Experts Call for Suspension of COVID Vaccines as Norway Investigates 33 Deaths, Germany

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    Found this news article today, thought others would be interested in it as well. Constructive feedback welcome.

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    China Health Experts Call for Suspension of COVID Vaccines as Norway Investigates 33 Deaths, Germany Probes 10 Deaths


    01/18/21


    Norway upped the number of deaths under investigation, from 23 last week to 33, while in Germany, health officials said they are investigating 10 deaths that occurred among elderly patients who received the COVID vaccine.


    China health experts say Norway and other countries should suspend the use of mRNA vaccines like those produced by Pfizer and Moderna, especially among the elderly, according to Global Times.

    Norway health officials said last week they were investigating the deaths of 23 elderly people who died shortly after receiving the vaccine, and had confirmed 13 of those were directly related to the vaccine.

    Today, Bloomberg reported that the number of deaths under investigation in Norway had risen to 33 and that all had occurred in people ranging from age 75 to 80. According to Bloomberg, Camilla Stoltenberg, head of the Norwegian Institute of Public Health, said at a press conference today:

    “It is important to remember that about 45 people die every day in nursing homes in Norway, so it is not a given that this represents any excess mortality or that there is a causal connection.”

    The Norwegian Medicines Agency previously told Bloomberg that all of the deaths occurred in people who received the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine, which until Friday was the only COVID vaccine approved for use in Norway.

    The Norwegian Institute of Public Health, which had originally prioritized the elderly for the vaccine, has since revised its advice to urge more caution when vaccinating the elderly, especially those with underlying conditions.

    The institute told Bloomberg that “for those with the most severe frailty, even relatively mild vaccine side effects can have serious consequences. For those who have a very short remaining life span anyway, the benefit of the vaccine may be marginal or irrelevant.”

    The Institute also admitted to Global Times that the clinical trials that resulted in emergency approval of the vaccine included “very few people over the age of 85,” but added “we assume that the side effects will largely be the same in the elderly as in those over 65 years of age.”

    According to the Global Times, a Beijing-based immunologist who requested anonymity said the mRNA vaccines had not proven safe for large-scale use or for preventing infectious diseases. Noting that people over 80 have weaker immune systems, he said they should not receive the vaccine, but instead should take medicines to improve their immune systems.

    Meanwhile, The BMJ and other news outlets reported last week that in Germany, the Paul Ehrlich Institute is investigating 10 deaths in people ranging in age from 79 to 93 who died shortly after receiving the COVID vaccine.

    U.S. health officials continue to push COVID vaccinations in nursing homes, despite growing resistance among nursing home employees to take the vaccine.

    So far, there’s no word of any investigation into the deaths of 29 elderly people at a nursing home in New York. According to a Jan. 9 news report from Syracuse.com, a single nursing home in upstate New York vaccinated 193 residents beginning on Dec. 22 and subsequently reported 24 deaths within the span of a couple of weeks.

    The facility attributed the deaths to a COVID-19 “outbreak,” even though there had been no COVID-19 deaths in any nursing homes in the entire county “until the first three deaths … were reported Dec. 29.”

    Florida health officials and the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention are investigating the death of a 56-year-old doctor who died of a rare autoimmune disease 15 days after getting the Pfizer vaccine. A Johns Hopkins scientist told the New York Times it was a “medical certainty” that the death was related to Pfizer’s vaccine.

    The U.S. Food and Drug Administration is investigating numerous severe allergic reactions, including anaphylaxis, in healthcare workers who received the vaccine.

    Sunday night, California health officials called for a pause on the use of a huge batch of Moderna’s COVID vaccine due to its ”higher-than-usual number of possible allergic reactions.” As The Defender reported this morning, California’s top epidemiologist Dr. Erica S. Pan is recommending providers pause the administration of lot ‘041L20A’ of the Moderna COVID vaccine.

    According to the latest figures, updated Jan. 7, from the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS), 66 deaths have been reported in the U.S. as being possibly related to a COVID vaccine. It’s estimated that only 1% of vaccine injuries are reported to VAERS.
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    Full article here:
    https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/china-health-experts-suspension-covid-vaccines-norway/
     
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    Of course, the number of people dying in California, for instance, daily, is by far greater than those who supposedly die from the vaccine. Also, there is no evidence they have died from the vaccine. And, will there be allergic reactions? I would expect this as well. Also, perhaps those people who took the vaccine were already affected by the virus itself and died from the virus, not the vaccine. So, no reason to stop the vaccine now. Stupid.
    People die from vaccines every year. Does that mean stop the Polio vaccines? Measles Vaccines? Small Pox Vaccines? And so on. Stupid people.
     
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    You didn't read everything i quoted did you? If you had, you would have seen the final paragraphs:
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    Florida health officials and the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention are investigating the death of a 56-year-old doctor who died of a rare autoimmune disease 15 days after getting the Pfizer vaccine. A Johns Hopkins scientist told the New York Times it was a “medical certainty” that the death was related to Pfizer’s vaccine.

    The U.S. Food and Drug Administration is investigating numerous severe allergic reactions, including anaphylaxis, in healthcare workers who received the vaccine.

    Sunday night, California health officials called for a pause on the use of a huge batch of Moderna’s COVID vaccine due to its ”higher-than-usual number of possible allergic reactions.” As The Defender reported this morning, California’s top epidemiologist Dr. Erica S. Pan is recommending providers pause the administration of lot ‘041L20A’ of the Moderna COVID vaccine.

    According to the latest figures, updated Jan. 7, from the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS), 66 deaths have been reported in the U.S. as being possibly related to a COVID vaccine. It’s estimated that only 1% of vaccine injuries are reported to VAERS.
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    I read it. So what? The benefits outweighs the alternative. Shall we just keep letting the virus kill millions? This is why labels come with warnings. We know vaccines of all kinds come with allergic reactions. Just be prepared for anaphylaxis reactions. We have antidotes for that. What's the alternative? Let millions die from the virus? I'll take my chances. You don't have to. You can continue to vegetate in your one room apartment.
     
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    ?

    Anonymous China Health Experts? Anonymous, of course, and not even attributed news source? Absolutely fake!

    Give me a break! This "Childrens Defense blah blah" is another cash propaganda site tgat is trying to creat panic and terror among susceptible people (seniors mostly, of course) and of course beyter by more megadoses of vitamins and fake wholestic cures to prevent COVID (and cancer and everything else).

    Out of untold MILLIONS of injections against COVID, there is a bare handful of unknown-caused deaths and a few scores of "allergic reactions", usually meaning sitting down for an hour after benadryl or something, except for the breathless recounting of a healthcare worker who was hospitalized for SIX WHOLE HOURS before going home!

    Yet these anti-vaxers have older people and even some health care workers convinced the safest thing to do (certainly WAY safer than even simply driving home after work) is a "danger".

    So nuts.
     
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    I disagree.

    I've seen little evidence that this virus is killing millions. What I see is people being diagnosed with Covid 19 via an unreliable PCR test and then, if they die, being labelled as having died from Covid 19. I've seen next to no evidence that taking a Covid 19 vaccine prevents such deaths and have, in fact, seen evidence that it may actually make Covid 19 symptoms worse.
     
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    There's no evidence of the latter. And, the evidence is in the reports given to the FDA for their findings in preventing a person from getting the virus. I do agree that I bet they are lumping in people with pneumonia and the flu with Covid19 deaths. But, there are lots of deaths from this. 400,000 in one year is a lot more than the flu and pneumonia. So, it's there. And, millions have died around the world from it. The point I was making is that if the vaccine is delayed because a few people have a reaction, just like people have reactions from all vaccines, the potential for millions of deaths is possible. It was estimated that 2.5 million Americans would die if we didn't shut down travel too and from China as well as the economy the way we did. Millions died with the Spanish Flu during WW1. That was no joke either. That was reality. So is Covid19.
     
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    So many of those taking the vaccine are elderly and frail that it makes me wonder if some of these elderly and frail are effectively committing suicide by vaccine?

    I had to live in a rehab center at age 58 after a traffic accident. What a miserable way to live. If I had to do that again I might happily take an experimental for emergency use only.
     
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    Who knows. Another thing, how many of them are even giving consent, let alone informed consent?
     
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    That isn't what I was referring to but the same with the flu vaccine. You don't go in with the flu and get a flu vaccine. Although, the difference with the Covid19 vaccine is that it isn't with any part of the virus. So, I question whether the occurrences are due to the vaccine or some other issue like and allergic reaction. Something in the Covid19 that a person is allergic to like penicillin or egg shells.

    I saw an article yesterday saying Fauci was told to stop his and everyone else's studies on these types of man-engineered viruses in 2014 by an order from Obama-Biden. Instead of doing so, that's when he moved over to China's laboratory. So, why then is Biden hiring Fauci the butcher? His research in China caused this. He should be in jail instead of the most powerful and highest paid government official.
     
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    There have been just over 2 million deaths ATTRIBUTED to Covid-19. Two years in and two million dead. The Influenza of 1918-1920 killed approximately 50-100 million globally. There have been several studies claiming an excess death of 100-150 million from STARVATION secondary to the shut downs and economic damage they've caused. This novel coronavirus is deadlier than a typical influenza but is nowhere near as deadly as the PTB would have us all believe. This virus is being used to force compliance on otherwise healthy people. What they are doing is effing EVIL...
     
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    It's only one year into this Covid19 virus, not 2 years. We are way ahead of medicine and science today than in 1918. We have better communication as well. Because of WW1 and the need for men to sign up for the war, the communications about the flu were not widely known and kept in check by our government. You can look that up if you want. Look what happened in New York with Cuomo's order to put sick patience in nursing homes. Had that been done all over the U.S. millions would have died by now. So, to compare this with that is apples and oranges. The fact is, this Covid19 virus is deadlier than the Spanish Flu virus of 1918 as it attaches much harder to our cells than any flu virus does.
    Aside from the virus itself, I totally agree with you that the government(s), federal and state, have over compensated for the potential of this virus. On the other hand, we've never really seen this type of man-engineered virus before and had no plans to defend against it. I blame Obama-Biden for this because in 2014 those two banned work on these types of viruses because of this very reason. What should have happened is a commission organized to decide how to best handle something like this back then. If we had a national strategy in place, we wouldn't have been flying by the seat of our pants.
     
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    An interesting video from a registered nurse regarding the many debelitating effects and even deaths that his patients have had after getting the Covid 19 vaccine and how those in authority are explaining these things away:
    https://www.bitchute.com/video/OtCk8dF23kve/
     
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    A nurse with an agenda. Nice. NOT!!! I also know many nurses that repute that nonsense. But, once again, all vaccines are prone to bad side affects including deaths. Does that mean we don't vaccinate all? Good grief, there would be few people on the earth these days if we didn't have vaccines. There is a risk with all vaccines. It's your choice not to take it and die from the virus. It's also everyone else's choice to take the vaccine and live.
     
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    A nurse with experience dealing with this affliction on the ground. Did you take a look at the video?
     
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    It sounds to me that the agenda of the nurse in the video is the public telling of a very unpleasant truth. It seems his agenda is somehow the good health, or better health, of his patients?

    What do you see as his narrative?
     
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    Let's say that's true. What is the purpose in destroying the economy to get national/worldwide compliance in otherwise healthy people?
     
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    Power and money, the same things that have motivated humans since they've walked the earth.

    Is that so hard to understand?
     
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    How does inventing a virus that sweeps the world getting anybody any more power and/or money they didn't already have? Maybe the 1% of the richest people and vaccine manufacturers are making money, but they would be doing that anyway from other investments.
     
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    Do you recognize that wicked men exist in this world? Do you recognize that power corrupts men, and that absolute power corrupts absolutely?

    Do you understand that during the year 2020 the rich became richer while the poor were crushed? Do you understand that organizations like the World Economic Forum plan for the future?
     
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    Yes.
    Yes.
    Yes.
    Yes.

    What I don't understand is HOW does a plandemic help further that agenda? Kill off a bunch of people, throw most of the rest into financial ruin and then what?
     
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    There is more to it than the money angle, but examining the money angle alone, in this case, as you've already acknowledged, as the common people were thrown into financial ruin, the upper crust became even more wealthy than they were before it started.

    Many analysts conclude that the excess deaths comparing 2020 and years previous are statistically insignificant. The bogus tests and manipulated numbers have resulted in an illusion of sorts. When motorcycle fatalities are reported as covid fatalities, it's quite easy to observe.
     
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    Maybe I'm not phrasing my question correctly. I understand your position that it was planned. I understand some people think the numbers of infections and/or deaths are statistically insignificant.

    I've heard some people say that it's a way for Bill Gates to microchip everybody. Still others say that it's exactly what Hitler did to the "undesirables" in Germany to mark them for work camps and/or execution. I am not one that trust everything the government says or does, but those sound like conspiracy theories at this point.

    So, the rich get rich and the poor and middle class get poorer. That's how it's always been.

    What I don't understand is the END GOAL of doing all this?
     
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