Democrats must solidify power

Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by Montoya, Jan 15, 2021.

  1. Distraff

    Distraff Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 4, 2011
    Messages:
    10,833
    Likes Received:
    4,092
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Rhode Island is tiny and probably should be merged with Connecticut to be honest. Yet even Rhode Island is many many times larger than DC. DC is even a tiny fraction of the entire DC metropolitan area. On what planet does fraction of city = state?
     
  2. Montoya

    Montoya Banned

    Joined:
    Jan 5, 2011
    Messages:
    14,274
    Likes Received:
    455
    Trophy Points:
    83
    Irrelevant. It has more people than WY ID and MT combined.
     
  3. Distraff

    Distraff Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 4, 2011
    Messages:
    10,833
    Likes Received:
    4,092
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Okay, then lets split the entire county into 600 500,000 person states. Lets make each big city an individual state then.

    DC has 700,000 people. WY, ID, and MT actually have 3.4 million people combined.
     
  4. trickyricky

    trickyricky Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 5, 2013
    Messages:
    372
    Likes Received:
    305
    Trophy Points:
    63
    Gender:
    Male
    Please provide reasoning that the three left leaning justices are "independent " in a way that couldn't be disputed equally by conservatives for the other 6.
     
  5. Golem

    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

    Joined:
    Feb 22, 2016
    Messages:
    42,517
    Likes Received:
    18,640
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Alito, Thomas and Roberts have clearly shown their right-wing bias in court decisions like Heller, Bush v Gore, Citizens United, Shelby County, .... etc. The last three appointees... we have yet to see. I have very low hopes for Barrett, given that she admired Scalia, one of the most partisan judges we have seen in recent times.
     
  6. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Nov 15, 2017
    Messages:
    45,403
    Likes Received:
    26,531
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    State Republicans push new voting restrictions after Trump’s loss

    "Republican legislators across the country are preparing a slew of new voting restrictions in the wake of former President Donald Trump’s defeat.

    Georgia will be the focal point of the GOP push to change state election laws, after Democrats narrowly took both Senate seats there and President Joe Biden carried the state by an even smaller margin. But state Republicans in deep-red states and battlegrounds alike are citing Trump’s meritless claims of voter fraud in 2020 — and the declining trust in election integrity Trump helped drive — as an excuse to tighten access to the polls."
    https://www.politico.com/news/2021/01/24/republicans-voter-id-laws-461707

    The Repub response to losing is not expanding their tent, it's suppressing the votes of those in the other party's tent.
     
  7. TOG 6

    TOG 6 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 23, 2015
    Messages:
    47,848
    Likes Received:
    19,638
    Trophy Points:
    113
    DC is not a state; only states get senators.
    Don't like it? Amend the constitution.
     
  8. TOG 6

    TOG 6 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 23, 2015
    Messages:
    47,848
    Likes Received:
    19,638
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Irrelevant, as states are equal in the senate.
     
  9. Modus Ponens

    Modus Ponens Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 15, 2010
    Messages:
    1,663
    Likes Received:
    433
    Trophy Points:
    83
    These kinds of stunts only validate Republicans' Flight 93 rhetoric. It is ludicrous to give D.C. two US Senators. Don't be so sure that PR won't be a Red state. Making Guam a state is a dumb idea from a national security perspective; it is way too vulnerable to China.

    Just because we start with these kinds of plots to grab power, doesn't mean it will end with us. Republicans have already shown that they will break norms and degrade the unity of the country to claw at more power; and they will resort to even worse measures, if we adopt their tactics. We need to hold the line, uphold our norms, and trust that a combination of changing demographics and Conservatives' essential corruption will keep the GOP out of power for the foreseeable future.
     
  10. Montoya

    Montoya Banned

    Joined:
    Jan 5, 2011
    Messages:
    14,274
    Likes Received:
    455
    Trophy Points:
    83
    It will be soon enough.
     
  11. Montoya

    Montoya Banned

    Joined:
    Jan 5, 2011
    Messages:
    14,274
    Likes Received:
    455
    Trophy Points:
    83
    We either take power now or they will. Their side has already shown they HATE democracy and believe a minority of flyover states control everything. Democrats must take power and make sure they keep it by stacking the senate.
     
  12. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Nov 15, 2017
    Messages:
    45,403
    Likes Received:
    26,531
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Why? Its population is roughly the same as WY. Why is statehood such a radical idea for almost 700K Americans with no senatorial representation?
     
  13. Modus Ponens

    Modus Ponens Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 15, 2010
    Messages:
    1,663
    Likes Received:
    433
    Trophy Points:
    83
    Look, what we're doing here is an Experiment. Conservatives have demonstrated (are demonstrating) why we may fail to keep the Republic. If it fails, it fails - Man might simply be too servile a creature for successful self-government. But if the Experiment fails, let it be on the Conservatives, not on us.
     
  14. Modus Ponens

    Modus Ponens Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 15, 2010
    Messages:
    1,663
    Likes Received:
    433
    Trophy Points:
    83
    I don't see why we should compound one bad idea (WY having two Senators) with another one.

    Anyway - a state has a mix of urban and rural populations; the kind of differentiated population which it is worth giving national representation to. Not only that, but the territory of the state will have natural resources which small territories cannot, resources which are of significance to the broader Union and as such call for national representation of the people on whose land they are found (especially if/when they are appropriated by eminent domain). Finally, a state's population is always liable to increase, in a fashion which a mid-sized city with hard borders cannot.

    Again, it is prima facie absurd to give a mid-sized city the prerogative to send two Senators to the US Congress. If we want the people of the District to be represented, we can for electoral purposes divide the district between its neighboring states. The whole conceit of D.C. statehood is nothing but a power-grab. Leave the power-grabs to the Conservatives; we on the other hand should be better than that.
     
    Last edited: Jan 24, 2021
    Dayton3 likes this.
  15. TOG 6

    TOG 6 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 23, 2015
    Messages:
    47,848
    Likes Received:
    19,638
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Bet not.
     
  16. trickyricky

    trickyricky Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 5, 2013
    Messages:
    372
    Likes Received:
    305
    Trophy Points:
    63
    Gender:
    Male
    In other words, you can't; its just an opinion. Thanks.
     
  17. logical1

    logical1 Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jun 15, 2011
    Messages:
    25,426
    Likes Received:
    8,068
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    This is the biggest problem. Democrats are all about power over everyone. They want total compliance.
     
  18. Dayton3

    Dayton3 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 3, 2009
    Messages:
    25,310
    Likes Received:
    6,668
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Why the obsession with population?
     
  19. Dayton3

    Dayton3 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 3, 2009
    Messages:
    25,310
    Likes Received:
    6,668
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    So? Why should population be the sole arbiter of statehood?
     
  20. Montoya

    Montoya Banned

    Joined:
    Jan 5, 2011
    Messages:
    14,274
    Likes Received:
    455
    Trophy Points:
    83
    Is this a joke???
     
  21. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Nov 15, 2017
    Messages:
    45,403
    Likes Received:
    26,531
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    It's not an obsession. I'm just pointing out the fact that DC has a population equivalent to or greater than an existing state. The point being, you have no justification for objecting to DC's statehood other than it shifting the balance of power in the Senate towards Dems.
     
  22. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Nov 15, 2017
    Messages:
    45,403
    Likes Received:
    26,531
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    It isn't. It's a matter of representation.
     
  23. ECA

    ECA Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 21, 2018
    Messages:
    31,937
    Likes Received:
    15,596
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Cannot disagree more. No person OR political party should have a majority. There is a reason the founding fathers set up a govt of checks and balances. What you seem to want is a dictatorship. No thanks.
     
  24. Dayton3

    Dayton3 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 3, 2009
    Messages:
    25,310
    Likes Received:
    6,668
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    why should representation be the sole arbiter of statehood?
     
  25. TOG 6

    TOG 6 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 23, 2015
    Messages:
    47,848
    Likes Received:
    19,638
    Trophy Points:
    113
    No.
    It's a question apparently cannot answer.
     

Share This Page