Media trust hits new low

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  1. Eleuthera

    Eleuthera Well-Known Member Donor

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    When everything the American people believe is false, we can thank Operation Mockingbird for its tremendous contribution to our misinformation efforts.

    Having just finished Sharyl Attkisson's fine book "Slanted", all my cynical views and statements have been supported by what she shows. The record is clear. The media utterly controls the perceptions of the masses.
     
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    Lol...the big lie told by the loser who couldn't man up.
     
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  3. Kal'Stang

    Kal'Stang Well-Known Member

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    1: Trust in media has been on the decline longer than Trump has been in politics.

    2: Trump did not make them act the way that they have been. They're responsible for their own actions.
     
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    This has nothing to do with Trump.

    This is the news, media, Hollywood and Democrats for you:

    "It's my way or the highway"

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    This has nothing to do with Trump. It's going to be a long 4 years without Trump for you all.

    This is about the news and media lying to us everyday and having a agenda. I guess you all can't discuss much more then "Orange man bad" after having TDS for 4 years.
     
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    TDS?

    What is that?

    Surely you couldn't be implying that there is something wrong with anybody who disagrees with you politically? Could you?

    What is TDS?

    Please be specific.

    Or were you referring to The Daily Show (with Trevor Noah)?
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    That was very off topic but maybe my post was to.

    Do you have anything to actually say about the topic?
     
  8. Andrew Jackson

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    I already DID.

    In fact, you quoted my (on-topic) post.

    How quickly they forget.
     
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    It was mostly a Trump bad post but after rereading your post I did see your on topic part so I apologize for that.

    Any media anymore is biased. They ethier cater to liberals or conservatives. You can't be in the middle anymore. Fox News tried that and lost many of Trumps supporters. The problem is most media leans to the left and the voice of the right is being silenced.
     
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    But isn't it true that the major goal of a business is survival? At least usinesses have to deal with competition - the cornerstone of capitalism. The government does not.

    I view anything controlled by government to be more dangerous than that same thing controlled by business. I think the idea that government works in the interests of the citizenry rather than its own interests is mostly false. Business at least has to respond to its customers or risk losing those customers. Business at least has an incentive to perform well.
     
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    That business incentive is true for everything...EXCEPT the media model. Think about it, as Trump cited their incompetence(as well as less than fidelity to the truth), they all started claiming it was censorship(despite the fact that they could still print whatever they wanted.). Because we believe for some odd reason that the first amendment means: "Right and guarantee to consume their goods, as well as to believe that what they're saying is the truth", the media had long been treated as a sacred cow.

    That protection means they're never at risk of losing customers, which means they'll never be an accurate newsletter. It's why they can easily say 'do you denounce x', as the guy denounced 'x' for a million times. They don't need credibility anymore, the perverted interpretation of the first amendment protects them.

    On the other hand, it's true that a state-run media would want to paint a pretty picture for its citizens, and sometimes that does blind the citizenry to the truth(especially if one wants to intentionally repress) but in some cases, this might actually be beneficial. If our media paints that picture, it allows for less divisive thought like that we've seen.

    And if that picture is actually accurate, who are we to complain? Essentially, state-run media, backed by the state does not need to chase dollars or approval rating.
     
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    Yet most of your stories seem to come from internet blogs and "alternate media" which you want us to believe instead of MSM.
    Why would those sources be any more reliable? Don't they also have a "message" which they want us to swallow.

    There is a reason I don't start threads - it's because I take everything coming from all sides with a healthy dose
    of skepticism. But I'm certainly not going to buy "random guy on the internet" as a source for reliable news - and
    most of the stories I see coming out of the right seem to be sourced exactly in that manner.
     
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    I imagine on these forums a year from now one could be forgiven thinking Trump was STILL president, LOL!
     
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    Well said. It would be nice if the media could figure out what the truth is and publish it. There always seems to be two versions of the truth. That tells consumers of the news that there is no truth in anything they say. I don't like the idea of state run media. Since the state lies, so will its media.
     
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    There will in short, always be a level of deception(and sometimes there must be IE: Nuclear codes, etc.). But what is more likely to tell us the truth: The state-ran media, that has absolutely no need to chase public ratings or approval or dollars? Or MSNBC, Fox, CNN, etc?

    Our collective(as a nation) falling trust in the media comes from their lack of ability to tell the truth and also to ask tough questions.

    To me, if deception is inevitable then let's pick the ones who have the most valid reasons to deceive, as well as the fewest reasons to deceive.
     
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    Trumpists have been absent from reality for at least half a decade now, but only they are laughing.
     
  17. Lucifer

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    So, what is that "voice" on the right? Because for the past 4 years that voice has sounded just like Trump.
     
  18. Lucifer

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    Exactly!

    There has been a marked shift that has only accelerated during the Trump years of willful ignorance of journalism and the many aspects of it that require the audience to participate to assess the veracity of it. I remember way back in the 80s when I was an intern at a local tv station how tv news was then derided as spoonfeeding its audience, as opposed to the in-depth level of journalism of print media. These days, news is now about how far the audience allows talking heads with no journalism experience to use them as sock puppets.
     
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    How does Sullivan suggest they "make sure [the news] is widely accepted"?
     
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    Trust in the MSM should be 0.

    They have lost all credibility to those willing to think critically
     
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    There is no MSM because the it is NOT mainstream it is highly leftist and should be renamed the LWM. Did you listen to the inaugural coverage? Compare it to the Trump inaugural. They were preaching for the man. Listen still the questions they ask? Read and watch the adoring interviews they get. Jim Acosta admitting that OK we don't have to be attack dogs anymore and let the WPC and WH orgy begin.
     
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    Buying into internet conspiracy theories is not, "thinking critically", and
    while a healthy bit of skepticism of the MSM is laudable, NOT being far MORE skeptical of
    internet blogs and TV talk show hosts, is insane.
     
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    As I started a thread about it in the opinion section
    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...ously-observant-president-in-50-years.584327/

    NYTimes ripped for labeling Biden 'most religiously observant' president in 50 years

    Conservatives ripped The New York Times for describing President Biden as "perhaps the most religiously observant commander in chief in half a century" in a story published Saturday.

    Pundits were quick to point out former presidents George W. Bush and Jimmy Carter for their outspoken faith.
    https://www.foxnews.com/media/biden-new-york-times-religious-christianity-catholic

    Just pitiful the blatant fallaciousness of the story as they lick his boots in adoration. Why should they have any credibility?
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  24. Kal'Stang

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    They explain it in the article. Essentially by getting corporations to push the same narrative since currently, apparently, corporations are more trusted than the news at this point in time. You can see this happening now in social media in how they're using "fact checkers" and labeling posts as "not quite factual" or as "misleading" etc etc.

    When it comes to politics a lot of things are often based on opinions. For example: "abortion kills a baby" is a controversial statement. They could label such as "misleading" and then go and spin how its not really a baby but a zygote that is just a clump of cells while a baby is a born human being. Not saying that this exact example has happened. It just gives an idea as to how they can use words to fit a narrative that allows one side to be portrayed as truthful while the other side tries to mislead. And misleading is considered a bad thing and not truthful.

    In a lot of ways you could consider them as acting like lawyers. Using words to argue two different points about the same thing. Did X murder Y or did X defend themselves from Y? Semantics in other words. Everyone knows what's being talked about but the lawyers are just using words to get their desired outcome. "A rose by any other name is still a rose" type of thing.
     
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    Of course. They're nothing more than a state propaganda tool, now.

    Ever seen that video where hundreds of anchors are reading the same bullshit, word for word?
     
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