China's economy grows 6.5% in Q4 as country rebounds from coronavirus

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  1. ronv

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    No. I think it probably has more to do with population density.
     
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    Should densely populated areas have been governed differently?
     
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    I'm not sure what Florida's guidance is.
    What do you think?
     
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    Well if the government is to be blamed for those rates, isn't the argument that they could have or should have done something differently?
     
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    Yeah, probably.
    But if you can't tell me what they are doing what do you want me to suggest?
     
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    What "they" are you talking about? At first you were talking about "Trump supporters". When that was challenged you mentioned DeSantis. I'm willing to give you the benefit of the doubt that you didn't intend to mean that DeSantis was personally infecting people with the virus, and your mention of him had something to do with his leadership on the matter. I asked if his leadership was effective in certain areas and not others, and you said you thought population density was the primary driver. Since DeSantis cannot impose regulations differently in different areas of his state based on population, some other group must be responsible for that local regulation. Would you not agree?

    Or are you arguing that DeSantis should have allowed Tallahassee to remain open in order to improve the stress on economy, while imposing lock downs and curfews on Miami, Jacksonville, and Orlando to improve the covid rates? Is that something he could legally do?
     
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    I think he should put out guidance for reopening.
    You can break it down however you want.
    For example if your positivity rate is below 4% you can open everything. Above 7% close bars and limit indoor crowd size.
     
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    Because without that guidance, local leadership won't know how to appropriately act?
     
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    Yep.
    Actually it should have come from Trump since he had more resources. But oh well.
     
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    https://www.miamidade.gov/global/initiatives/coronavirus/emergency-orders.page

    Which of the linked Miami Dade emergency orders required or refuted the guidance of DeSantis? I'm sure it's both, isn't it?
     
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    I wonder how many lives were saved by this brave covid directive? Was that something Trump or DeSantis suggested?
     
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    Another great one.

    If only Trump had advised the nation not to raft this terrible economic situation might have been avoided.
     
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    What sensible action do you think was taken last January/February?

    I'll have to tell you, I don't know of any.
     
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    You may think I'm a Trump supporter, but I do live in a blue state, and I definitely abstained from riding my e bike to my raft, so I think I can say I did my part.
     
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    400,000 citizens are dead.

    And, you say it's no big deal!!

    Whether we had more testing that somoene else is absoltuely irrelevant.

    The salient points with test are:
    - We never have had enough testing to implement the Whitehouse.gov plan for opening the economy.
    - We never had any OTHER plan on how to effectively use testing
    - Trump refused to continue giving any federal planning or aid to the effort to create more and better tests.
     
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    That's what you get when you pass responsibility to far down the chain.
    But it lets you say things like "I don't take any responsibility at all."
     
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    So DeSantis bears responsibility for Miami Dade's anti-rafting ordinance? Do we want people to raft or not to raft? I'm confused.
     
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    I know you are.
    Why did Death Santis pass all his responsibility down to a Mayor? Does the Mayor have better information? Is he smarter?
     
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    What's the purpose of the Miami Dade commissioners & Mayor? Isn't it to have the local information necessary to make local governance decisions? Do you think Trump should have been more on top of the whole Miami Dade rafting epidemic, or would that have been micromanagement as you put it earlier?

    How many lives would have been saved if only Trump mandated no rafting back in January?
     
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    Miami clearly had to stumble around in the dark on the whole rafting issue into late March.
     
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    Why would they have better information. Does the CDC report to the Mayor?
     
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    We have had 400,000 deaths. And, Trump TOTALLY IGNORED everything science based medicine had to offer while those hundreds of thousands were dying. In fact he lobied HARD against science based medicine throughout the entire year.

    Then, YOU come along with your "don't pumpkin pick data" and then point to January/February as if those months were the issue - or were in ANY WAY repreentative.

    Do you have any idea how ridiculous that looks?
     
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    They did not "already have a virus". That is just pure BS.

    And, the claim that the virus was created is even more stupid.
     
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    CDC reports are accessible to everyone. That's kinda the point of them, isn't it?

    How does the CDC obtain information local to Miami? Does POTUS head down there and secretly swab noses?
     
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