No more men, no more women

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  1. Bluesguy

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    With the stroke of a pen Biden wiped out men and women and especially when in sports and other such types of differentiation. "Men" can declare themselves "women" and must be allowed to participate in "women's" sports at all levels.

    So what is a "man" and what is a "woman" anymore? It used to he quite clear but no more. So how do we define "man" and "woman" anymore? What is the criteria anymore. Someone will say "it's up to the person and what they feel". Well what does that mean? "I feel this way therefore I am....." Feel what way? If we can no longer define the terms shouldn't we just get rid of them and ANY differentiations altogether? Isn't this what the left-wing progressives want to "wake" society?
     
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    Brain bleeder is strange! Although I do see why he is so popular though, real man of the people and relates well with them....
     
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    The last thing he does is relate to me.
     
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    Befuddled Joe's Flying Asylum is just gettin' warmed up! And the Lefties think Trump made us the laughing stock of the world.... they ain't seen NOTHIN' yet. :no:
     
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    If there's no biological difference, why does there need to be biological intervention to treat it?
     
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    But Biden declared the science and biology wrong and does not exist. So what remains as the difference? Why even have "men's" and "women's" whatever?
     
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    I remember when men who think they are women were allowed to use women’s bathrooms and the claims that there would be a widespread problem of men pretending to be women for the purpose of going into women’s rooms to peep or assaulting them. There of course was no widespread problem.
    Now we have people losing their minds thinking there will be an increase of men pretending to be women in order to participate in women’s sports. Sorry, not buying it. No true alpha male would ever be caught dead pretending to be a woman to play on a woman’s team.
    That being said, wasn’t the executive order in regards to ‘Preventing and Combating Discrimination on the Basis of Gender Identity or Sexual Orientation’?
    The order states that "all persons should receive equal treatment under the law, no matter their gender identity or sexual orientation."
    The order does not explicitly address athletics in any great detail. The only reference to sports briefly mentioned that "children should be able to learn without worrying about whether they will be denied access to the restroom, the locker room, or school sports."
     
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    I think it would lead to an interesting situation.

    Transwomen (so born men) seems to have an important advantage in women sport.

    I don't know whatever feminist organization opposed themselves to what Biden did. It could lead to an important conflict between feminists and lgbt activists if transwomen start to win most competitions. (Anyway, the idea of competition is opposed to left wing ideology).

    Intersectionality, the alliance of women, lgbt and colored people against straight white men could suffer a lot from that.
     
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    The entire argument is the recognition of inclusion within a previously defined group. If there were no such thing as the group, there wouldn't be such a fight over who's a member of that group. They can't eliminate the definition of men and women and also validate a person's opinion about whether or not they are a man or a woman. (Or any other such group someone would want to be recognized as a member of.)

    I mean, isn't that the whole point of transition therapy?
     
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    Me either! But he is clearly popular with some folks ;)
     
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    What the science and the cultural narratives are revealing about this issue, is this: Gender-identity is a compound of three, independently varying variables: 1) biological sex 2) sexual orientation 3) identification as "masculine" or "feminine." It used to be that biological sex was of itself normative/dispositive for determining gender-identity. Those days are past.

    This should be clear even if we look at the biology. There is quite a bit of flexibility when it comes to sexual reproduction. Some species even change their biological sex, if that maximizes reproductive fitness in their local environment. It's worth remembering that life began through asexual reproduction, and sexual reproduction only came along much later; so the differences between the sexes is much more of a biological trick - just another way to accomplish a task - than a hard-wired fact of nature. So even when it comes to biological sex-identity, such identity should probably be seen as something that exists on a kind of continuum. This is a fortiori the case when we talk about more memetically-inflected factors of gender-identity like sexual orientation, and identifying as "masculine" or "feminine." Nature, it seems, goes for variety.

    If this is the way the natural world actually is, well our cultural forms are now trying to adapt to do justice to this fact. And it won't be easy. We have intersex persons, people who present as biologically male or female but who, in terms of their internal physiognomy, are actually the opposite sex. We have people who are biologically male and who are heterosexual, yet who embrace a feminine gender-identification. We have people who are biologically male and who are not strictly heterosexual, and who embrace a feminine gender-identification. Etc., through all the many permutations of the variables of gender-identity. We need to work out, both at the level of law and of custom, what privileges should - and should not - be extended to the rarer, more highly-intersectioned gender identities, along with the conventional ones. Some of the thorniest problems surrounding the elaboration of these new cultural/legal protocols, is how to handle people who change their gender identity. We have a protocol already for homosexual people; they can "come out," at a time and manner which is their prerogative. But it is a very vexed question, how to handle children who come out as transgender. It is one thing to recognize their gender-identity, e.g. allow them to wear clothes and adopt the manners of conventional masculinity or femininity (within the bounds appropriate to their age and psycho-sexual development); but allowing them to go forward with surgical interventions to codify at the physical level their infelt gender identity is a whole other matter.


    Some common sense can avail us to some extent, here. I don't think that transgender females should be able to compete in female sports, for example. But such questions as the use of bathrooms (by the transgender of any age) quite vexed, I think we have to admit.
     
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    This is about HUMANS what makes one a male and what makes on a female. And it's not even about homosexuality. You are saying it is all in the mind? What is the difference between a male identity and a female identity? What is the difference in that mental determination. What mentally makes a male to believe they are a female, what's the difference they presume?
     
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    Lots have objective but the question remains.

    What is the difference between a man and a woman that a man would say oh I am a woman not a man because of those differences or are there are none anymore and we should just get rid of the two terms and ANY sexual distinctions in ANYTHING? Like women's studies, if there is no distinction between men and women now you can be either one no matter your biology ..............how do we know all the biologically woman persons studied in women's studies are "women" now?
     
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    When and exactly how are you alleging Biden do this??? Be specific.
     
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    Humans are a product of the natural world, of billions of years of evolution. That natural history is part of who we are.


    As I pointed out, there are multiple factors that determine this - both biological and cultural.



    Obviously it's not "all in the mind." Read again what I actually said.


    Sexual orientation is not something that can be simply read off of biology. There is no way to look in the brain and find out what someone's orientation is, let alone whether they find affinity between their personality and masculine or feminine characteristics. There is no way to settle this by science alone. You have to look at culture, and individual preferences.
     
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    And this thread is specifically about the human species and human society.




    Stick with the basics a man who claims to be a woman is different from other men how what makes them a woman instead of a man?


    Choosing is in the mind, self identification is in the mind. What is it about women that makes a man thinks he is one of them or vise versa?


    What is the difference between male orientation and female orientation that would make one believe they are the other? If they are the same then how can there be an orientation at all?

    Give me two columns one list what is male orientation and the other list what is female orientation.
     
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    "wiped" is past tense. Did you miss his EO's or something?
     
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    Those columns will vary at least somewhat by the culture of the person compiling them (same way that everyone has language, but culture makes languages different). Since you appear to be holding the brief for male human nature and female human nature being strictly defined and only one-way, we might as well start without you think these hard-wired features are.



    Again, you can inform me (since I take it that for you this is just a rhetorical question).


    Yes. Gender-identity is, to a significant degree, a social construct.
     
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    Wait'll the US all tranny team tries to play in the women's world cup soccer tournament...
    If you think you're a dog when you human people try to get you psychiatric help. But if you think you're a woman when you're a man that's perfectly okay and the rest of us are supposed to act like your let's pretend act is okay? For get it. You're still a person with mental issues who needs pychiatric help not surgery.
     
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    Already happening.
     
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    I'm talking about American culture and society and the laws Biden is attempting to instill. Upon what is that "social construct"?

    What makes someone male oriented versus female oriented? What is a male identity versus a female identity, how do you quantify the difference? That you can't can't explain only shows the point.
     
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    If Biden doesnt know the difference between men and women, what else doesnt he know.

    He should resign.
     
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    Why is this important to you?

    I don't see how someone's sexual identity has any effect on you, other than to trigger you and your own biases.
     
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    Look, you brought up the topic. I think the minimum you should do is define male identity and female identity - especially if you're going to complain about the Biden Admin. doing whatever!
     
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    Oh, please don't stop the panic attacks with FACTS....it's too, too funny watching the fear and terror of those who haven't a clue...:) :)
     
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