3 candidate race in 2024: Harris (D), Carlson (R) Gabbard (I). Who wins?

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  1. Modus Ponens

    Modus Ponens Well-Known Member

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    Trump was a political entrepreneur who leveraged the rise to dominance of the bigoted Nativists and populists in the Republican party. Tucker Carlson is a truly forked-tongue demagogue who will be able to sing sweet nothings to the Trumpkins while also being able to dog-whistle to the Establishment. Gabbard is an antiwar, Bernie Progressive who expressly makes a point of not culturally alienating social conservatives; she represents the closest thing America has to an honest populism and could be the choice not only of erstwhile Trump supporters but also of Bernie's army. Harris, I reckon, will be President by 2024. So, which of these three figures will become President-elect on Election Day that year?
     
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    Eh, last I checked this was a political opinion forum. And I don't respect voters in a democracy who vote for Authoritarian populism. At any rate it is hardly reasonable to propose that I put forward a hypothetical without having my own view on it.
     
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    If Trump wanted to leverage the dominance of bigots he would have run under the banner of the party of slavery, lynching, Jim Crow, and segregation. He would have been attracted to the Democrats who forced African Americans to work but not vote until they realized that they could break up Black families and bribe future generations to vote but not work. He would have been attracted to the party of Andrew Jackson and the trail of tears, kicking Indians to reservations, at least the Indians Democrats didn't kill. He would have run as a progressive, the bunch Hitler sought out for advice on running a bigoted socialist state. He could not have resisted the party of Woodrow Wilson, the President who segregated the Civil Service and rebirthed the KKK to give future Democrats like Robert Byrd a home. He would have chosen the party of FDR and worked overtime keeping Jews in Europe where the Nazis could eliminate them ,,, because many of them, in Democrats' words, were banksters.
     
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    I don't think Tucker Carlson... or any Trumpist (except Trump himself... maybe...) would win the Republican Primary. If a trumpist looks like they might pull ahead, they will unite around another candidate who is likely to win. Much like Democrats did last year.
     
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    The Democrats have not radicalized as a party. The GOP has. No Republican can get the nomination without appeasing the Trumpists.
     
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    Gabbard would get this vote.
     
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    :lol: that's easy, the candidate who rigs the elections
     
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    It's a bit premature in my opinion to start rubbing the crystal ball. One of the many things 2020 showed us is that mother nature and fate have an incredible way of humbling us to the errors of our thinking.
     
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    Can I ask if you usually vote (R) or (D)?
     
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    True. But I'm just indulging speculation based on a straight-line extrapolation from the state of the world now. I'm interested in how many Trumpkins would support Gabbard, how many Carlson. Also how many liberals would support Gabbard instead of Harris. I think this would reveal something important about the direction our national political life is going.
     
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    Harris, without question.
     
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    Who is nominated and wins will depend on what happens in the next 4 years. I expect there to be considerable economic growth, fueled by pent-up demand from COVID. I think it unlikely that Biden will start a new war, but if he does - then I expect an isolationist Republican to win (please prosecute Trump in the meantime, to ensure it's not him). Assuming no war and good economy, Kamala Harris is a shoe-in.
     
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    That very much depends, in my opinion, on how Republicans choose to deal with Trump. I don't think they'll be winning presidential elections until conservatives take back the Party.
     
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    The Conservatives are the real problem. The economic Neoliberals are the true heart of the GOP; but they played with the Conservatives one time too many, and the Conservatives revolted under Trump and took over (it's been a long time coming, of course).
     
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    What makes you so sure? Carlson would maul the other two in any debate.
     
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    Biden is not going to start a war, but Trump has put the US on a trajectory for one, with China and/or Korea.
     
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    shhhh - stop talking reality
     
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    I think the election would go to Harris (D). The Democrats have the highest voter count from big blue cities.

    I don't see Tucker Carlson going anywhere. Of course, that depends on whether or not the Republicans make it harder to vote.

    Also, Tulsi Gabbard is the right's favorite candidate. She's wasting her shot at the Presidental position by choosing to run on the independent line.
     
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    Forget Tucker he wouldn't get elected dog catcher, and if Tulsi had wanted to remain in politics she would have sought reelection.
     
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    Yeah, I thought it was a slam dunk as well. I don't know much about Gabbard, but she seems a bit...oh I dunno...off...strange. I just can't relate to her on a basic level. Tucker Carlson. Lmao. "My fellow Americans. UPS has lost the nuclear codes."

    Harris wasn't my first pick for VP, but I've come to like her. In four years, the experience alone places her miles above Gabbard.

    Tucker Carlson. Haaa!!! "My fellow Americans. The envelope that contained the USB drive with the nuclear codes has been found. Not the drive. Not yet. We have the envelope. God bless the troops."
     
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    Iran hasn't forgotten Trump.
     
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    It may turn out that Iran was a foreign policy success for Trump. His maximum-pressure campaign put the state, and the regime, through agony. The kind of agony that weakens. Though it should be remarked that the regime has hinted that they may try to exact revenge against Trump personally.
     
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    For Harris to have a chance, Biden needs to resign, not too long after the midterms.

    Carlson is the perfect successor to Trump in a Trumpified Republican party. If he starts hinting at a run, watch his popularity among Republicans skyrocket.

    Gabbard is a Progressive who has many Trumpkins curious. That itself makes her a unique figure in American politics. If Biden/Harris are unpopular going into 2024 (not unlikely), there will be an opportunity for a authentic populist to run against both parties. Trump has already paved the way.
     
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    Iranian missiles land just 100 miles from Navy ships: report (nypost.com)

    Long-range missiles belonging to Iran splashed down Saturday [Jan. 16] just 100 miles from the Nimitz aircraft carrier strike group, Fox News reported.

    The Nimitz is in the region after President Trump overruled Pentagon officials who were going to send the carrier home to Washington state early this month.

    “We were expecting the missile launch,” one official told the outlet.


    Why would Trump overrule the Pentagon and send a carrier group to the region of a known ballistic missile test by Iran? What am I missing here?
     
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    :roflol:

    Tucker flounders out of his depth in a sidewalk puddle.

    Gabbard has revealed that she is a two-faced political hack so while she is still the darling of the extreme right she is NOT going to get any support from the left.

    That leaves Harris who is not my choice but head and shoulders ABOVE those other two losers.
     
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