3 candidate race in 2024: Harris (D), Carlson (R) Gabbard (I). Who wins?

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  1. maxLiberal

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    good thing they made the republicans and trumpets look as horrible as they are by letting them run hog wild and ruin America for decades.
     
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    it seems you actually contend Tucker McFarter* is Presidential fodder but no, he can barely get thru his dumb debasement show
    *I actually got the F word in there lol but replaced it
    Gabbard is a freak backed by freaks. stay far away from Tulsi unless surfing.
    Harris will screw herself with too much media talk / fluff and not enuf grindstone. they all need to ignore the media and work.
    wannabe Hitler IS the paRty until he succumbs to legal issues and financial hurricanes, the Senate won't even convict him.
    once he's gone you'll see Marco making the biggest ass fighting for lead position in a free for all lol
     
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    Conventional thinking is that the VP will become the nominee, but anything could happen.

    Tulsi Gabbard is far and away the best person for the job of president from the Democratic side, but that by no means means that she would get chosen. The Democrat Establishment hates her guts with a passion.
     
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    anybody would if they looked under the hood of her daily driver lol it's a mystery machine
    she sucks
     
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    Best, most qualified Democrats have. Great message too.
     
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    what could possibly qualify her? what has she ever done? she's no more qualified than the next person.
     
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    Donald Trump did not put us on a trajectory to war with China or North Korea(China's Proxy). China did that themselves through the economic theft of the nation's intellectual properties, and then we have the coronavirus. It is clear that China is an enemy state of the union, and we will have to contend with them on multiple battlefronts. Militarily, economically and politically.

    The alternative, a surrender to Chinese aggression will make the yelping of Russia to be minuscule in comparison. Of course, to note as well that Russia is a Chinese ally. We may have once had the opportunity to pursue a policy of detente and to split the Russians/Chinese apart, but democrats ended that possibility. Perhaps Biden could pursue it, but that depends on how hypocritical one would want to look.

    (Iran is also part of the Eurasian Axis. An Axis that formed as early as 2012. Trump did not precipitate this, this was inevitable when they decided to attack America economically. As unprovoked as the 9/11 attacks were.)

    Now, to the hypothetical. Harris has shown no leadership ability or even likability. Without Trump on the ballot for the left to scream hysterics, she will still have lost the nomination, let alone possibly being on the ballot for the presidency. She's simply unlikable.

    And the other two aren't even in-the-field candidates. For my part, I want to seriously work on my third party and to get it up and running for my own ambitions. It is my hope, dream and ambition that I am the one who will create the American Empire and lead to the most prosperous times in our nation's history.
     
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    Without going through her whole bio which you can look up for yourself, she has dedicated her whole life to service to our nation and her state. She’s a combat veteran, she doesn’t believe in forever wars, she’s independent in her thinking, and her message is one of unity and respect for all Americans.
     
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    If Gabbard would stand up for the 2A a bit, she wins that by a record landslide, (and still likely loses to fraud). As it is, her never having met a firearm restriction she didn't support loses her a lot of votes.
     
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    I disagree. For the next two years Harris is going to be tied to the Senate in a way most VPs never are. This will given her profile in one repsect, but it will also place limits on her ability to get out & build up her profile on the ground. It seems wildly unlikely Senate numbers will be the same after the mid terms, so Harris will be able to get out more. She will want more time.

    Short of a clear & genuine health issue, Biden should stay for his full term. He can indicate he is not going to run again 12 months out from the election. Simply handing the Presidency to Harris has a ton of political risks that I think outweigh any benefits. She needs to be seen to earn it like anyone else.

    Carlson as a politician is an unknown qualtity. He might be very successful, he might utterly collapse. Media is a very artificial environment and Fox is more artificial than most. It is easy to look convincing when you have complete control over the setting. Campaigning is harder. He would make a better President than Trump, but so would my cat.

    The question is who would have her? She didn't even make a dent in the Dem primaries and I can't see her doing any better against Harris. She is too left wing for the Republicans. Sure, plenty say they like her, but I don't honestly believe they would vote for her in Primaries.

    Nikki Haley has a better shot. She has top level experience and she was smart enough to get out of Dodge before the Trump stink got in too deep. Of course, the Trumpist base is driven by emotion & deeply fickle, so its hard to say if they will take to her or not.

    We really aren't going to know much for a couple of years. If there is an actual split in the GOP or their voters just don't turn out in the same numbers without Trump then the whole dynamic changes. Mega variables.
     
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    I'm aware of her career on paper but she's done nothing special as a politician at all, rather lacking in fact, and very secretive.
     
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    My vote depends on the individual candidate while avoiding support for the duopoly.
     
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    Carlson is a lightweight, like all FOX presenters. Actually most conservative talking heads. They set up ‘debates’ to make themselves look good, but in a real debate quickly falter. You do remember the political career of Rush Limbaugh don’t you? He didn’t make it past the first debate.

    Of the three listed, only Harris has any real chance at the Whitehouse. However, I’ll bet the next president is someone else, someone no one is talking about.
     
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    malarkey! she's earned it by being half the ticket that won this time. now it's hers to lose.
    Nikki went full sycophant and is simply a nasty thing like her mentor.
     
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    Seeing as Harris was already "mauled" by Gabbard in a debate, we might agree Carlson could do the same to her. His doing it to Gabbard is not nearly so certain. Quite the reverse is entirely possible.
     
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    Not really. The Chinese, like most countries knew that they just had to wait it out until the election. The world has sighed a huge sigh of relief, at the end of the Trump presidency.

    The war that Pompeo had been ginning up for, is with Iran. I’m sure something to do with an end time war to bring back Jesus.
     
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    I think that pulling out of the Iran nuclear deal was one of the Trump’s greatest blunders. Given the chance, I think that Iran could become an important ally. As Iran, of all Middle Eastern countries, is the most Western-like. The most educated, the most democratic. As is common with those Iranians who have migrated out of Iran, exposure to Western culture causes many to quickly lose their religiosity.
     
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    I think, of all the Republican contenders, that Rubio is the one with the greatest chance at winning the presidency. That is as long as he can keep the freak show from tainting him too much.
     
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    I don't know if we are even having the same conversation. I think that if she is given the Presidency by Biden without him being gravely ill it will hurt her. She needs to win the nomination & then win an election. Thus far she has earned the Vice Presidency at an election. She should take the next step the same way.

    I don't get the impression you put a lot of thought into your comments.
     
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    I wouldn't read too much into a single debate.
     
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    would you say that about all similar situations, or just where the outcome suits an agenda.
    she's scum. full stop.
     
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    The same Harris who couldn't muster a single delegate? That Harris is the only one with any real chance?
     
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    Yep Democrats just throw mostly peaceful rallies. No radicals in that crowd!
    FieryButMostlyPeacefulKenosha.jpg
     
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    None of the above, by then most democrats will probably realize they have been sucked in like rubes at a carnival and wondering how to get their nation back.
    Mike Pompeo is likely to do the job.

    I'm beginning to think we must start a major scientific search on the scale of NASA, for the lost ability to perceive reality among so many of us. Was it stolen by Trump? Of course, he pushes someones emotional button and in a conditioned pavlov response, they dump their capacity to think for themselves with the daily waste, and flush. I suspect this capacity is unrecoverable once lost, but we should try to stop the contamination of other vulnerables because with Trump gone, the victims will just point to someone else, trying to trigger the same response. Very dangerous to all.
     
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    Trump wants to play the tough guy? Iran is really in bad shape, after Trump. Vis Iran, Trump is a bully pushing his advantage. From what I heard, after the election Trump was talking about a bigger, more direct military confrontation with Iran. The Pentagon obviously is taking the longer view, and doesn't like to incur unnecessary risks. But Iran would probably only engage in asymmetric if the regime was in live danger.

    The Sunni Arab world is aligning itself against Iran (this is I think the fundamental dynamic underlying the region's normalization of relations with anti-Iran Israel), which again improves the US strategic position against them. Question is whether Iran will resort to a campaign of terror to push back. I have no doubt they'd like to get Trump or members of his family.
     
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