3 candidate race in 2024: Harris (D), Carlson (R) Gabbard (I). Who wins?

Methinks you are quite too complacent in your views there. Maybe time to get out of the bubble.

 

True, she is no friend of the Dem Establishment (and she is alienated from the White Progressive base). But that could serve her well as a spoiler candidate.

 

I came in here expecting to take you seriously and maybe have a poll for all 3 of them, but instead it was just another liberal racebaiting and trump hating fest

SHAME!

Try some originality will ya?

 

The Chinese have been involved in unfair competitive practices against us for decades - somehow that is a predicate for war, now? China's intellectual theft against us is a serious matter, and we should have taken it seriously long ago. None of us did. And in truth Conservatives are (very belatedly) now trying to demonize the Chinese for intellectual theft-practices that the United States itself, in its early years, committed against e.g. the U.K. and that was celebrated in history textbooks when I was in school.

Conservatives are now jumping on China, because: 1) the Trump era was so disastrous that they were motivated to cast about for a foreign enemy as a distraction 2) the coronavirus offered a unique focus for the latent animus 3) the US is caught in Thucydides-Trap psychodynamics (you yourself exemplify these in spades) vs. Chinese power; the United States, complacent for too long about China's rise, suddenly has grasped its strategic vulnerability - and is now (too belatedly, too late) engaging in anti-Chinese hysterics and trying to gird its loins for Der Tag against the Chinese. It's all-too predictable.

Yes, they do present a multi-spectrum threat, the likes of which the US has never faced. And informed observers have known it for decades, but the US strategic inertia (complacency, indeed arrogance - the same arrogance which now is leading you to put the war-paint on) prevented us from acting in time to face down the Chinese in their home region. Now we are going to have to cede territory against them, in order to occupy a more defensible position. (Likely we are not going to do it.)

Yeah, this is the strategic catastrophism typical of the Thucydides-Trap psychology.

The Russians are weak, and they are only going to get weaker. That is a potential problem because, like NK, they are armed to the teeth. Our policy vis-a-vis Russia should be to not provoke them unnecessarily, and let them decline.

LOL, partisanship added to the Thucydides-psychology makes it all the more a piece of folly. There really is no strategic scenario where we could trust to Russia's intentions - Russia in its current form can never be any sort of partner to the United States. China and a weakened Russia do not have any points of real strategic conflict, and without that there is no divide between them to exploit. Especially not when both can easily operate with "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" logic.

The US needs to seriously triage its global commitments. We need to get out of the ME, the region is simply a basketcase, and a money-trap for United States.

You're misreading the politics of this. Harris is not charismatic by Obama-standards, true. And it's the Obama-standard which observers Right and Left are invoking, when they judge her political appeal. But Harris has simply not been in the public eye long enough for people to form a negative opinion of her. And since her elevation to VP, she is enjoying widespread support among Democrats. That will only increase in the coming years. Barring any real PR disasters, she will have the party solidly behind her.

I pick Carlson and Gabbard both because they are unconventional possible candidates, yet they could both very likely have presidential ambitions by next cycle. And they have large potential constituencies, especially if Biden/Harris have become unpopular by that time.

A dream of your sort is only going to lead to the ruin of the United States. If it's American Empire that you yearn for, sadly you were born too late to enjoy it.

 

Sorry pal, I get have an opinion in my OP. Last I checked this was a political forum. Anyway, take any excuse you like not to deal with the question.

 

That’s funny in a way because in 45 years Biden hasn’t done anything special either. He is remembered for his support of anti-busing legislation and for his anti crime bill that ended up imprisoning tens of thousands of black men, something he would later apologize for.

 

Well, I wasn't going to say anything, but I just assumed that since you picked Harris as one of the candidates, Biden was already out of the way. For what reason that would be would be, would be left to the imagination of the reader.

 

Perhaps you are right that the revival of the Manifest Destiny proposition might be too late in the running, and that I might be struggling against the times that see America's political decline. But what kind of patriot would I be if I saw the decline of my homeland and did nothing to try to stop it? If my words for example reach someone far more influential than myself and they are able to create the mantle of the Empire as I said, I would gladly serve and applaud that empire and its development.


But I'm not going to change my beliefs. I'm strongly pro-secular, I'm proudly pro-US and I believe that we can achieve all of our goals and remain the world superpower. I believe that we earned a place with our victory in WWII and I'm not going to give that up to any other country.

 

The right had damned-well put up someone better than Tucker. Preferably, someone who doesn't look confused, 100% of the time.

 

i watch tucker a lot, he has no shot.. he is nothing like trump.

Tucker is a true conservative whereas trump was an independent populist who had to pick a party. Trump’s appeal was his bigger than life personality and pizzazz, tucker lacks this. Trump was a show man, politically incorrect...tucker is kinda boring, even though i agree with him on many topics

Tulsi would be a good president i think... she takes on both parties and has sound ideas.

nicki haley would be strong candidate

Ted cruz and josh hawley, watch out, they are weathering a storm now but may come out as the trumpist candidates

 

Sorry PAL! you accused people of racism with NO proof, in a thread that was supposed to be about what would happen between 3 candidates. You made that whole story up just to get some race baiting and bashing in and I have read the forum rules. Keep running your mouth and get reported!

 

That is my working assumption. Biden would step aside sometime after the midterms, to give Harris time to run in her own right for President.

 

LOL, someone is triggered! You're damn right I think that support for Trump is largely motivated by racism! And it's relevant because Tucker Carlson is one of the biggest race-baiters in the country!

 

He talks about OTHERS race baiting...prove ONE single racist thing he has said..most trump people voted on common sense america first policies...the only color that has anything to do with that is GREEN. Keep milking that race baiting though! I can't see it working forever though. Someday it will backfire

 

that's funny cos 45yrs ago her parents hadn't even met lol Biden is President and serving well his first week. Tulsi will always be ignored.

 

Trump is not a conservative. Trump is a fascist.

However, I agree that Republicans flirted one time too many with fascists, and they took over.

 

Trump is a Fascist, certainly. I didn't mean to imply that he was Conservative.

By my way of taxonomizing ideologies, I would say that Conservatism dates back to the Throne-and-Altar Patriarchate of pre-Modern, pre-Revolutionary times (viz., the American and French Revolutions). Liberalism rose to challenge the Patriarchate; in France, for example, they succeeded in overthrowing the Patriarchate, and the Left-Right divide that the Revolutionaries bequeathed to subsequent history is a divide between Liberals (in the broad sense of 'Liberal'). The general difference is that Left-liberals emphasize the Liberal value of equality, and Right-liberals emphasize the Liberal value of liberty. In the US we have taken to referring to Right-liberals as "conservative," but really that's a misnomer; true Conservatives are anti-Liberal (again, Liberal in the Lockean-sense), they are generally inclined to Authoritarianism of one kind or another. They are the ones who are so eager to point out "we're not a democracy."

Trump is a Fascist, and I would call his core supporters Fascists, as well. Fascism is what true Conservatism becomes, in post-Revolutionary times; it is Conservatism without any of the sacral trappings of the nobility and the Church. It makes an Idol out of the Nation, and defines itself largely in terms of the enemies of the Nation, vs. its defenders. But like the Conservatism of the Ancien Regime, all this is mostly just a pretext for power.

 

You keep repeating this lie with the hope that if you do it often enough, people will believe you.

 

I give reasons for my view. Despite all your whining, you routinely fail the burden of rejoinder.

 

You have - and none of your "reasons" have any demonstrable basis in fact.
Thus:
You keep repeating this lie with the hope that if you do it often enough, people will believe you.

 

She did much better than Harris. She actually single handedly eviscerated Harris in the debates, which sent her packing. Harris is VP because she's black and fit the shallow checkboxes that Democrats hold so sacred. The MSM is doing their best to try to convince people she's likeable for the next 2 years, when they can start tossing Biden in a home. Don't think it will help, because we have to look at her and hear her speak and laugh maniacally.

 

You are confusing contradiction with an argument. Still failing the burden of rejoinder. But it's clear all you've got is Whining.

 

Fact remains:
Your "reasons" have no demonstrable basis in fact.
As such:
You continue with the Big Lie.

 

Well she is not a trained monkey, so I would expect she will be ignored by her party.

She thinks for herself, a quality not wanted by her party. Sad.

 

it's far worse than most know about her