3 candidate race in 2024: Harris (D), Carlson (R) Gabbard (I). Who wins?

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  1. Asherah

    Asherah Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I disagree. I don't think wars with either of them is likely. More likely is a war with Iran. Still, this is encouraging:

    The website of Iran’s Supreme Leader on Friday carried the image of a golfer resembling former President Donald Trump apparently being targeted by a drone alongside a threat of revenge over last year’s killing of a top Iranian general in a U.S. drone attack.

    And no, I'm not supporting Iran's desire to kill Trump. But I WOULD prefer that they blame him personally rather than the U.S. as a whole.
     
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    ImNotOliver Well-Known Member

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    Of the three, only Harris has a chance. More likely though, the next Democratic presidential nominee is likely not yet known to be as such. Someone who will come to our attention in a couple of years or so. Someone young and energetic, someone like Jon Ossoff.
     
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    War with these powers doesn't have to be likely, to still be a much more salient threat than it would have been, if Trump had never gone into the WH.

    From what the Iranian regime has publicly hinted, they might make terrorist attempts at Trump's family and/or properties. Imagine being a soldier sent to die in war to defend the Trump family honor.
     
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    The sides are lining up along ancient ethnic lines. On one side is the Arabs, who come from the Arabian peninsula, including the Israelis, and on the other side are the Persians which includes Iranians, Afghanis, some Iraqis, and the Kurds. There is a long standing cultural divide as the Arabs are more North African whereas the Persians are more Southern European, their language, Farsi being a branch of the Indo-European family of languages.

    I think that Obama was on to a solution, bringing Iran into the European family of commerce in exchange for curtailing their nuclear ambitions. The Iranians were in compliance when the Trump pulled the plug. It was one of those things that made the Europeans, especially the Germans, cringe. Hopefully Biden can repair the damage.
     
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    Seems to me that you are reading into it something that was not said.
     
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    Well, Obama should have taken out Suleimani when he was in Benghazi coordinating the attack on our consulate, but Obama was too busy loading pallets with greenbacks so he had a legacy of surrendering to the Mullahs. Otherwise it would have been a waste to tell them way back not to negotiate with Bush that he would give them a better deal.

    We all own the Suleimani demise after he threatened to take out another US diplomatic outpost. Anyway, Trump wouldn't have a movie trailer to blame the next attack on. Trump had to take the guy out before he acted.
     
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    Good to see you keeping an open mind. Why do I get the impression that if the Dems chose yet another white guy with even less experience on the national stage than Harris you would be perfectly fine with the reason he was chosen.

    Like I said, Trumpers can tell if someone is 'qualified' just by looking at them.
     
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    Tucker is a mental featherweight who will collapse like a popped balloon when faced with difficult questions on the campaign trail.

    Gabbard has already exposed herself as being a closet rightwinger so she won't get the support she needs from the left.

    Harris is going to be relentlessly demonized by the GOP for the next 4 years just as they did to Hillary which is going to make it difficult for her to be the 2024 Dem candidate.

    There is nothing complacent about any of those views, they are based upon the past performance of the individuals above and the way politics operates nowadays.

    Feel free to establish that any of those views are incorrect.
     
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    A Blowout Victory for Harris.

    With Carlson and Tulsi dividing the leftovers.
     
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    Tucker looks confused because he IS confused.

    He is the poster boy for the term mental midget.
     
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    Spoken like a descendant of slave owners, lynch mobs, KKK cultists, segregationists, and Jim Crow enthusiasts who the Nazis sought advice from in framing their Nuremberg laws. Haven't seen Democrats so out of sorts since we took their slaves away.
     
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    Wrong on every count, but always amusing to watch you make a fool of yourself.
     
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    Honestly, I hope that's the case. But I really doubt it. He is one of the most talented demagogues - if not the most talented - in the United States today.


    Gabbard is not a closet rightwinger. Gabbard is very much a common-sense politician; she has enough common sense, at least, to realize that as the major parties polarize, room is opened for a straight-up-the-middle populist candidacy. Antagonizing leftwing activists is part of the playbook; it gives her cultural bona fides with the Conservatives and Trumpists. If Gabbard runs as an Independent, she can - legitimately - claim independence from the Establishment that Trumpists claim they despise. Gabbard's actual policy-proposals will be of a genuine drain-the-swamp variety - that should be able to get the support of many Trumpists, most Independents, and even some liberals. And we can't forget, that Gabbard was an early Bernie supporter; that will translate into cutting the military to fund more social spending. She should be able to pick up a lot of support among Democrats, if her candidacy takes off. Gabbard's chances mostly hinge on the failure of the Biden/Harris Admin (which with McConnell still holding the filibuster, you have to say is a live possibility).


    Very true; but if the Democrats have a primary fight before 2024, they're done. Harris is a natural choice to be the party standard-bearer, post-Biden.


    Your complacency, as I see it, bears mostly on your underestimation of Carlson. Many liberals do this; they mistake their antipathy for him, for an objective accounting of his political talents. One would think Trump would have cautioned us against doing that. Carlson is 20X more dangerous than Trump.
     
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    WOW already talking about 2024, I know Biden is crap, but he already stinks that bad you all looking at 2024 this soon LMFAO ;)
     
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    You know, 2024 - when the first colored woman President runs for re-election.
     
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    Well according to Brain Bleed he might just become a black women, you know, if he feels like a black women :wierdface:
     
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    Democrats have to plan ahead. They know that the next time a Republican wins the White House, it's Bedtime for Democracy.
     
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    ^^^
    Zero content opinion - your typical empty claim.
     
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    You must be new to the DNC, they have NEVER planned ahead ever..
     
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    Based upon what exactly?

    Gabbard will say and do anything at all to gain support because she is a political prostitute.

    What matters are her CORE beliefs because that is HOW she would govern if she were to become POTUS.

    Take a good look at those beliefs and what you will discover is a HARD CORE reactionaly rightwinger.

    That is WHY she has so much appeal to the extremist rightwing. They RECOGNIZE that aspect of her political beliefs.

    Carlson is an EMPTY talking head. He REGURGITATES whatever improves his RATINGS. He does NOT have any ORIGINAL thoughts worthy of the name.

    I first encountered him on Crossfire and he has FAILED to impress me ever since. The SHALLOWNESS of his positions are a reflection of the shallowness of his thinking. He gets STUMPED by his guests on own show because he does not have a comeback. Unlike his predecessor, O'Spinly, who was always thinking ahead Tucker flounders as soon as anyone pushes him out of his depth and it happens frequently.

    So if you want an "objective accounting of his political talents" I am going to ask you to provide them because they are NOT in evidence to anyone who examines his performance CRITICALLY.

    All he has is name recognition among the FauxNoise audience. An audience that he INHERITED because he was INCAPABLE of growing one that size on his own meager merits. He just spouts outrageous red meat claptrap because that is what his audience wants to hear from whichever talking head is in that time slot. He could be swapped out for virtually any of the others on that channel and they would probably do a better job then he does.

    I have little doubt that in a deep red state Tucker would be able to win elected office but nationwide he is going to be just another bubbleheaded Sarah Palin but WITHOUT the sex appeal.
     
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