McConnell relents on Senate rules, signals power-sharing deal with Democrats

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  1. Patricio Da Silva

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    McConnell caves!

    For y'all that didn't know what was going on, McConnell filibustered the Organization Resolution, which would set committee assignments for the new dem senate majority. While he was doing that, republicans continued with their committee chairs as if they were still in control. He told Schumer that he'd only cave if Schumer would commit to getting rid of the filibuster.

    McConnell knows that there are two or three dems who won't vote to kill the filibuster, so that is why he filibustered the OR, he assumed Schumer would not be able to nuke the filibuster to break McConnell's filibuster. But, he wants Schumer to guarantee he won't get rid of it, just in case.

    What McConnell forgot to factor in, was Schumer's resolve. Because, McConnell folded during Schumer's interview with Rachel Maddow, she asked him about it, what was he going to do about McConnell's blocking the OR, which is unprecedented ( normally it's just a routine thing, the new senate majority comes in, does an OR, and everybody is on their way) but McConnell's ONLY power, now that dems have the senate, the house, and the presidency, is the filibuster. He's deathly afraid of losing it. ( I doubt Schumer will get rid of it, but he will hold it over McConnell's head if he doesn't play ball on legislation ) so that is why McConnel did it. Anyway, Schumer answered Maddow's question by telling her he had a "plan" he had something up his sleeve, but he wouldn't tell her what it was. Of course, anyone who knows what is going on knows precisely what Schumer was up to, and what McConnell hadn't banked on, was that, in this case, given that McConnell was, in unprecedented fashion, filibustering the OR, that that is the straw that breaks the proverbial camel's back, and it was obvious ( to McConnell who must have been watching) that Schumer was implying that, IN THIS CASE, he's got 51 votes. So, McConnell was literally playing a game of chicken with Schumer, daring him to find the votes to bust the filibuster, and Schumer hinted at it in a very big way, and during that interview McConnell folded. So, McConnell must have been watching. I kinda think this is what happened, because following Maddow was Laurence McDonald, who knows a lot about parliamentary stuff, and he stated that is probably what happened.

    Anyway, it was fun to watch. Now, Dems get do a lot of good things.

    First priority deal with Covid, relief, etc, then (in no particular order)

    1. Climate (but this IS priority number one after Covid )
    2. Inequality
    3. Immigration
    4. Restore the voting rights act
    5. Obliterate Citizen's United
    6. Infrastructure.

    (Schumer said he took the dead "HR 1" and made it 'S 1" i.e, he is reintroducing it as a Senate bill, and since it already passed the house, in the previous congress, Pelosi will have no trouble passing the house version again. It had a lot of good stuff in it. )

    And onward we go, buckle your seats, we're going to have a good ride!

    Republicans, get with the program.

    And no, we're not going to take away your guns, nor are we going to take away your wallet, or your religion, nor are we going to nuke Christmas, nor turn your kids gay.

    Start acting like real human beings, and let's get to work!


    https://www.washingtonpost.com/powe...4d1634-5f7c-11eb-9061-07abcc1f9229_story.html

    Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell on Monday night signaled he would step back from an ultimatum over Senate rules that sparked a partisan showdown, which threatened to obstruct President Biden’s early legislative agenda.

    McConnell (R-Ky.) said in a statement that he was ready to move forward with a power-sharing accord with Democrats on how to operate the evenly divided Senate, defusing a potentially explosive clash over the minority’s rights to block partisan legislation.
     
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    If my memory is correct the Citizens United deal was imposed by the SUPREMES so won't that be a tough road to March on for the Democrachniki ! I think that it will be.
     
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    If I recall Ginsberg joined in affirming the decision Thomas was against. All they need to do is flip one of the new three.
     
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    I have no problem with your list of 6, but voting rights has to be #1 after COVID.... If you don't get that fixed in time for 2022, nothing else will be doable..

    SNIP
    "With these assurances, I look forward to moving ahead with a power-sharing agreement modeled on that precedent," the Kentucky Republican said.

    Yet McConnell didn't receive any written assurances from Democrats that they would never touch the filibuster, and Schumer's office argued that the GOP leader got little from the stalemate.
    ENDSNIP

    https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/25/politics/senate-republicans-power-sharing-deal/index.html

    McConnell "caved" because 2 D Senators made non-binding comments about the filibuster?? Mkay... Why don't I fully believe that??
     
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    Highly unlikely that the any of the ' nova troika' can be flipped especially BeerBoy and the New Chickee.
     
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    tend to agree, republicans have the sc locked in
     
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    gonna be hard for republicans, dems can now bring things to a vote, so if they refuse to help the people, the people will see it and that could effect them in 2022
     
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    this is once again his wife, Elaine Cho's ball-twisting cos she's been flipping out over traitor trump and now the insurrection.
    Moscow Mitch would still be his old nasty self but she's on him bigly to save her butt and their dying party.
    it's the few old school right wing women who are finally making stands against the insanity after being forced into a corner.
    too bad they're so nutsy evil we can't work with them, they're the best of that bunch but formidable foes on their own.
     
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    Hey non binding or binding comments what difference do they make with either party. Look and Lindsey Graham who goes flippity floppily hip pity hop-pity from saying that the Trumpocity " can go to hell" in the 2016 primary over to being the Trumpocity's Chief shoe licker and butt kisser. Graham figuratively held "it " for Trumpocity while the latter pizzed on John McCain's grave. Again figuratively speaking of course as far as we know.
     
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    I am not sure how much influence Elaine Choo has on Moskva Michtko but her move did seem to precipitate some outward difference in Mkska's position.
     
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    Great point.... you could sign your name in your child's blood anymore and it's not binding...

    But these statements from Sinema and Manchin are even less binding than usual, as they were apparently made privately to Moscow Mitch...

    If he chooses to do the right thing based on them, I'm cool with that, but I also won't be surprised in the least if both end up supporting ending the filibuster someday either...
     
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    I don’t know. Doesn’t seem like a typical pro conservative ruling. Especially with social media becoming so powerful.
     
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    Hmmm? I believe the filibuster is based on a Senate rule. The rules have to be voted upon with each new Congress, so whoever is in the majority has an advantage because the rules pass or fail on the basis of a simple majority - i.e. they can't be filibustered. It's a tool that favors the minority. IMO, it's unconstitutional. The Constitution is specific on any vote that requires more than a simple majority, such as the two-thirds vote required for Senate conviction on impeachment, treaties, overriding a presidential veto, changing the Constitution, etc. IMO, any "rule" that contradicts that, such as a super majority of 60% to impose cloture (the end of Senate debate on most bills) runs contrary to the Constitutional scheme. If my memory is correct, it has been used primarily by southern politicians to block civil rights legislation...although it is certainly not limited to that. If one party or the other had a larger majority, capable of overcoming g the 60% filibuster, it wouldn't be an issue. McConnell is exercising what power he can, based on the close Senate division.
     
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    If Schumer committed to NOT getting rid of the filibuster...

    What McConnell forgot to factor in is the fact that Schumer is a pathological liar and the word of a Democrat isn't worth ****.

    BAD move and the country is going to suffer for it...
     
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    Are you confusing Citizens United with the case on social media? Citizens united said that corporations are people. So Amazon is a 'people'.
     
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    So Twitter Corp. is people too?
     
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    If one is to apply the Citizens United ruling yep! " Yep" is a highly technical legal term meaning an affirmative.
     
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    McConnell was always going to bend over. He wants all this huge government crap just as bad as any Democrat. The guy is a complete scumbag.
     
  19. Patricio Da Silva

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    Right, nor should he, of course.
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    Good move. Why? Justice matters. There can be no unification or healing without justice. Trump's support will fade once the truth, as revealed by a trial, comes out.
     
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