Justice Roberts: Hell No! I Won't Go! To The Senate Impeachment "Trial"

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  1. FreshAir

    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Trump still retains the title as he did not resign, all past Presidents do

    unless your saying Trump lost that right and should not retain the title
     
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    Republican Senators that vote to Acquit the biggest *LOSER* will be held accountable by the electorate in 2022 and 2024.

    Since you are in GA you saw first hand what just happened to the Senators who supported him.
     
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    If Roberts VIOLATES his Oath to UPHOLD the Constitution that opens the door to IMPEACH Roberts himself.

    The Senate can CHOOSE to have VP Harris presiding over the trial of YOUR biggest *LOSER* for his CRIMES against We the People if Roberts puts PARTISANSHIP above upholding the Law of the Land.

    Furthermore Roberts will CONFIRM his LEGACY as having the WORST all time track record for the SCrOTUS if he ABDICATES his DUTY to We the People.
     
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    According to YOUR biggest *LOSER* and many of his supporters he "won" the election which means he is still eligible to be tried for treasonous INCITEMENT by the Senate.
     
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    Kneejerk Denialism does not make the FACTUAL EVIDENCE that YOUR biggest *LOSER* was RESPONSIBLE for the INSURRECTION at the Capitol.

    Even the traitors who vandalized the Capitol said that they were doing so because he ORDERED them to do it.
     
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    If you’re not impeaching Trump as President, then you’re impeaching a private citizen.
    And you can’t impeach a private citizen. ​

    If you’re impeaching Trump as President, then the Chief Justice must preside.
    And since he isn’t . . .​
     
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    WAIT, IF TRUMP INCITED IT, HOW COULD THE SON HAVE TIPPED OFF THE FBI ABOUT HIS FATHER’S PARTICPATION BEFORE IT HAPPENED? “Weeks before the riot,” in fact. Son Tipped Off F.B.I. About His Father, Who Is Charged in Capitol Riot.

    What sort of awful crime did the father commit?

    “The elder Mr. Reffitt, who was arrested on Jan. 16, faces charges of obstruction of justice and of knowingly entering a restricted building or grounds without lawful authority.”​

    Sounds like this kid needs to move out and support himself.
     
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    So what?

    That proves NOTHING.
     
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    Big deal.

    That "Constitutional Argument" is BS.:bored:

    Everybody ALREADY KNEW That Roberts Wouldn't Preside.

    Nobody expected Roberts to Preside.

    This is actually considered "news"?

    NOBODY Ever Expected Roberts to Preside.

    It has been generally accepted (ever since the Article was approved on Jan.13th) that Roberts wouldn't Preside at any potential trial of Trump as a Private Citizen.

    What is next?

    A thread about the Pacific Ocean containing Water?
     
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    That was the message I was going to get to. When Roberts said he was not going to preside, the message he was sending was this was not a legitimate impeachment trial. I suspect he has already talked to the other justices. Anything coming out of the "impeachment trial" will likely be overturned by the supreme court. In other words, he just told the democrats that they were embarking on a fools errand.
     
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    Why are you afraid of Trump running again?
     
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    I would not be surprised if the first witness the republicans call, is Chief Justice Roberts.
     
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    Only if convicted and a pardon by a governor would remove that impediment.
     
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    after 4 years of Trump, we should all be afraid of Trump having 4 more years

    The economy is on the verge of collapse, it would suck if Biden reversed course and then Trump got another 4 years
     
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    Nor, absent Roberts, will there be. The Dems second sham impeachment is now a dead letter.
     
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    If you're a political realist you would realize that none of this will have any effect on the 2022 midterms let alone 2024. It will all be ancient history, other hot issues, events, happenings will have replaced impeachment and the trial. Sure, Democrats will remember but their not going to vote for Republicans anyway. Same for Republican who aren't about to vote Democratic. It's independents who decide a lot of elections.

    The first impeachment of Trump wasn't even discussed in 2020, no campaign ads about, no nothing. Expect the same for 2022. Independents don't pay any attention to the daily grind of politics in D.C. They're not political junkies. Most will only begin to pay attention a couple of weeks to a couple of months out prior to an election. Then a lot of them will vote on their perception of the candidates. Their likes and dislikes which issues and policy either don't or to a limited effect enter into their calculations.

    Mark my word, this impeachment and trial will have nothing at all to do with 2022. It will be all about what Biden and the democratic controlled congress has done or hasn't done. Whether they made independents angry at them or made them happy and satisfied. Americans are famous for their short memories.
     
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    I wouldn't read into it. Roberts was sick and tired of all the partisan stuff thrown at him in the first impeachment trial by both sides. He wants to keep the SCOTUS as much as possible out of partisan politics.

    Actually the Constitution is moot on whether or not someone can be impeached after they no longer hold an office. Which isn't surprising since the framers stayed away from the what if's. The penalty of only allowing removal from office in the Constitution could enhance your point of view. You can't remove someone who has already been removed or no longer holds the office. So to me, all of this is irrelevant.

    Roberts has already said a week or so ago he would recluse himself if the constitutional aspect goes before the SCOTUS. But his reasoning for stating so was he might be presiding over the trial. Since he isn't, his previous recluseal statement probably no longer applies as that was made 2 weeks or so ago.
     
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    It says president. Trump is not president.

    The Constitution says the chief justice will preside. No if, ands or buts. If it was a legitimate trial, he has no option. He is in effect saying that the trial is not legitimate.
     
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    The impeachment trial would only be legitimate if Trump is the legitimate President of the US.
    Trumps opposition in Congress clearly believes Trump is the elected President or they would not still be trying to remove him from office.
     
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    What an inane response to make, that really all you're left with?
     
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    He confirmed he is upholding his oath by not taking part in an unconstitutional procedure. The Senate cannot choose who to have preside in a Presidential impeachment the Constitution is quite clear and unequivocal.
     
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    Actually the Constitution is quite clear as to who is subject to impeachment by the Congress and it does not say private citizens. It is clear that when that person is being impeached as President only the Chief Justice can preside. It also says the Senate cannot try and sanction private citizens, bills of attainders. Roberts if he believed this to be constitutional would have no choice in presiding or not. Obviously he does not believe it is.

    Do you support Leahy presiding as the Judge AND then voting as a juror?
     
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    So, you are admitting that you don't have any evidence of these "other safeguards"? Sorry, but it's usually righties who do yhat here ... make claims that something is so, but fail to back the claim with proof of any sort. It would seem that few understand how to debate an issue.
     
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    I think the whole thing is irrelevant as you can't remove someone from an office he no longer holds. I've said all along that if these folks think Trump is guilty of sedition and insurrection, get this out of the political arena, impeachment is purely a political process and put it into the judicial system.

    Keeping this in the political arena is telling me that the evidence doesn't add up to a or met the requirements for conviction in a federal court. As for Leahy, who cares? Once this is over some other hot issue or some event, happening will replace this impeachment trial and it will be long forgotten by the time the 2022 midterms roll around. It'll be ancient history. Trump's first impeachment was even a campaign issue this election. It was long forgotten by most Americans. Irrelevant.

    What Biden and the democratic controlled congress do or don't do will decide the 2022 midterms, not this impeachment trial. If Biden and company makes independents angry at them on some future hot issue, they lose the house and possibly the senate. If independents are happy with what Biden and company are doing, then they retain those bodies. Impeachment, the trial will be ancient history. Irrelevant to what the future holds, at least politically.
     
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    That is a matter for the judicial system and not the legislative system, you do understand separation of powers? You do know what is a bill of attainder? And if Trump violated the law that needs to be adjudicated in court where the Constitution DICTATES where such adjudication SHALL take place not in Congress.
     

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