White House recommits to getting Harriet Tubman on $20 bill after Trump delay

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  1. The Mello Guy

    The Mello Guy Well-Known Member

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    They’re an honor
    We should not remove from history books
    Nobody is cancelling history. Just not honoring bad people.
    Get it?
     
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    ZERO chance....
     
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    Arguing politics from the position of extreme radicalism on either side solves nothing. I could also prove the racism that exists in the democrat circles, but that doesn't define the entire party nor is that the basis for logical discussion.

    The problem with this forum is that its full of partisan fringe types incapable of discussing from a centrist point of view.

    A lot of people that support the confederacy do so from the position of State Rights over a strong centralized federal government. Afterall, that really was the reason for the Civil War. But combine that with immigration reform agenda, and its the perfect recipe for the left to simply dismiss everybody that doesn't agree as racist.

    When you're actually prepared to discuss the other side and debate on it's merits let me know. Until then, its just arguing political extremism which isn't in touch with reality in the slightest.
     
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    Agreed. But no one suggests that the monuments be destroyed - only moved to a museum or somewhere appropriate for those who are interested in the history.

    As for honor versus reminder, one has to look at the original intent. Were these monuments erected to honor the depicted?
     
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    No. I really dont.

    If we are discussing slave owners in text books, are we not honoring them?

    Again, you do realize that the ideals of the confederacy were much bigger than just slavery, right?
     
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    Not exactly pro-Brown and pro-Turner, though. I think Coonman's ancestors owned quite a few slaves, too, which might explain why he likes to run around in his bed linens...
     
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    How about we just don’t honor slavers and traitors?
     
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    The president responsible for freeing the slaves is also part of cancel culture.

    This is sensitivity run amok.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/history/2020/12/29/lincoln-statue-removed-boston-dc/
     
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    We talk about hitler too, should we have statues of him? Maybe in NYC?
    You do realize nazism was bigger than just the Holocaust, right?
     
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    Do you really think that every mention of someone in a history book is designed to honor them? There are plenty of historical figures whose exploits are well documented and are not in the least bit flattering.
     
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    Good stuff.

    Besides, how is it even possible to "Cancel History"?

    Unless a school cancels all of the other classes on the same day.

    Either that, or it is a Jedi Mind Trick?

    "Cancel History"? :roflol::bored:

    Anyway, back on-topic to Harriet, it will he very interesting to see a re-design of paper currency in which the person pictured is changed.

    All recent versions have just featured portrait resizing and enhanced anti-counterfeit measures
     
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    This entire thread is based on the premise that dems loved slavery lol
    Yet not once did you call out the OP who made those claims lol
     
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    Then we have to build monuments to all those people. How will anyone know about Ghengis Khan if we don’t carve his face into a mountain???
     
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    John Brown should certainly be memorialized. Nat Turner's rebellion involved the indiscriminate genocidal murder of women, children. It set back the abolitionist movement, and was used as an excuse to outlaw the education of slaves.

    Getting rid of the Confederate statues is just historical revisionism designed to whitewash the racist history of the DP.
    Of course they are offensive to almost all Americans - especially Republicans, so removing them makes sense to me.
    Nevertheless, they should be preserved in historical parks along with text and video descriptions of the details of their creation and former locations.

    I think many more memorials to John Brown, Frederick Douglas, and Harriet Tubman would be very appropriate and appreciated.

    For instance:

     
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    Geez, this is like watching Mike Tyson in his prime boxing Jim Parsons....

    :boxing:

    I may have to ask you to back off for a few posts.... it's simply too embarrassing to watch...

    :handshake:
     
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    I don’t know why you think dems give a damn about the racist history. Does anyone vote for someone based on what someone did 150 years ago? I vote for what the party does or tries to. If the gop suddenly supports things I agree with, I’ll vote for them....and I’ll still oppose monuments to slavers and traitors.
     
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    In fact, the KKK was instrumental in the enforcement of the gun bans imposed on black-Americans.

    "Labels aside, it was what people encountered in everyday life that had the greatest impact on their thinking, and Southern black people had a powerful incentive to arm themselves. Because the federal government was unwilling to protect Southern freedom fighters, local law enforcement officers—many of them also members of the Ku Klux Klan—ignored their duty and frequently joined in terrorist acts themselves. People in black communities were willing to do what was necessary to protect fellow blacks who are risking their lives by speaking out against and actively challenging the status quo; the willingness of some to take armed defensive action enabled the civil rights movement to sustain itself during the mid-20th Century.
    This Nonviolent Stuff'll Get You Killed, How Guns Made the Civil Rights Movement Possible, Charles E. Cobb JR., Basic Books 2014.p. 9. 10.
     
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    The DP remains the party of systemic institutional racism in America in spite of any opposition to racism on the part of most ordinary Democrats. Systemic racism endure because of DP politicians like Biden and the complicity of indifferent or ignorant Republican politicians and opinion leaders.

    Much of the "progressive movement" embraced virulent deadly race theory. These institutions institutions and guiding theories persist.

    "The eugenics establishment merged into — or more precisely took over—the population control campaign. In the late 1940s, the Milbank Memorial Fund, one of the main backers of eugenics, began to support research about overpopulation in underdeveloped countries. In 1952 Frederick Osborn, a leading eugenist, organized the Population Council. Osbourne later set up the Population Association of America, and his cousin Fairfield Osbourne became a leader of Planned Parenthood—World Population. The Rockefeller Foundation, another key funder of eugenics research, joined Milbank in 1936 in giving Princeton University (Henry Fairfield Osborn's and John D. Rockefeller III's alma mater) an Office of Population Research (OPR). In the 1940s OPR became a center for eugenists demographer's. Kingsley Davis, Clyde Kiser, Frank Notestein, Dudley Kirk, and Frank Lorimer all work there. When the Rockefeller Foundation financed the Population Council, these five men moved there. (the foundation had also sent its man Charles Edward Amory Winslow into Planned Parenthood at its inception.) Out of the 10 men on the Population Council's demographic and medical advisory boards six have been associated with eugenics."
    LINDA GORDON, The Moral Property of Women, A History of Birth Control Politics In America, University of Illinois Press, Urbana and Chicago, 2007. p. 281.

    Thinking leftists like Gordon have been pointing this out.
    Oddly enough Republicans like Tucker Carlson insists that there is no systemic racism in America even though racial segregation is still common in America.
     
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    Not only did Democrats love slavery, they fought to preserve it and wound up getting half the country destroyed in the process.

    Some people never change...:lol:
     
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    Should be a big deal to everyone who believes there are more important things to be worried about than who is on a bill...

    But it's not
     
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    Ah, yes...eugenics....and racism and Democrats and "progressives"....

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    :eek: Now "progressive" policies become law under this guy:

    BIDEN PLANTATION.jpg
     
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    Lol still upset that #walkaway was a total failure?
    Statistically Biden was right, if you voted for trump you’re probably not black
     
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    Joe Biden - Statistically Correct Racist :lol:
     
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    No, just correct
     

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