Myanmar Leader Aung San Suu Kyi, Others Detained by Military

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    Is this really a coup? I know she was a Nobel Peace Prize winner but she has been criticized over the treatment of the Rohingyas. How will this affect SE Asian political relations:
     
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    Treatment is a nice word for outright genocide.

    Well at least the new U.S. administration has put out a statement that it is "alarmed" and told them to stop it.

    Interesting timing for the first coup. China/Russia feel emboldened now. Hopefully Biden will follow in Trump's footsteps and use sanctions against Myanmar's military, rather than in Obama's, who used drones to bring "democracy" back to proper order.
     
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    Wasn't Myanmar liberated from military rule not so long ago? Also, I imagine it's the military committing the atrocities against The Rohingya.. It's never the folk in suits that do the dirty work
     
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    Of course a trumper would seek to justify overthrowing a democratic election by the use of military force.
     
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    Daniel Russel, the top U.S. diplomat for East Asia under former President Barack Obama, who fostered close ties with Suu Kyi, described the military takeover as a severe blow to democracy in the region.

    “If true, this is a huge setback - not only for democracy in Myanmar, but for U.S. interests. It’s yet another reminder that the extended absence of credible and steady U.S. engagement in the region has emboldened anti-democratic forces,” he said.

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...elected-leader-aung-san-suu-kyi-idUSKBN2A00VC
     
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    My suggestion was that the International community use sanctions against top-ranking members of the Myanmar military rather than do a gun-running operation or drone them, so to whom is your comment directed?
     
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    The military kept 25% control of the seats and have certain exclusive powers. The "constitution" written in 2008 was apparently written by the military, giving the military quite a lot of power.
     
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    Yes, intervening and ushering in "democracy" for Myanmar was a pet project of the Obama/Biden administration.

    Interesting that democracy "seemed" to be steady or advancing somewhat until the changing of the guard here.
     
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    This is what many of you on the Left remind me of these days... SQUIRREL!
     
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    Apparently the Rohingyas were banned from voting in November, and a couple of other states in the country had voting cancelled for security reasons. The democratic civilian party in power (NLD) is set up to legally not allow the election to be reviewed by an independent 3rd party. The electoral commission is not independent, but is appointed by the ruling party (NLD). Some citizens believe that one of the other parties may have won, but no verification is allowed, and there have been some citizen protests leading up to the military coup.

    Despite disgruntled citizens having no legal recourse, there were some (foreign) outside observer groups present. There were observers from the U.S.-based Carter Center and the Asian Network for Free Elections present who said that other than a few procedural problems and the exclusion of large numbers of people, these outside observer groups broadly concluded that the outcome of the election was credible. They say the NLD's political mandate to rule is robust so there is no reason to call the fundamental credibility of the election into question.

     
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    If history repeats itself in the Obama tradition, Biden will end up sending heavy arms and other military equipment to the Rohingyas and then pretend that the U.S. was only promoting democracy and that our government war strategists have no blood on their hands for endless foreign interference. Then we'll send "peacekeeping" troops who will never come back home. So nice to be back to "normal".

    Quick primer of the conflict between the Rohingya and the Buddist majority groups in Myanmar.

     
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    I think she won the peace prize by being locked up for... probably decades... because she wanted free elections.
    Before that the army was in charge. The army also ethnically cleansed the Rohingyas, and she was unable to stop it, when she was "in charge"
    She also hardly ever mentioned that it was going on. Why? Well the army kicked her out of office now and put her back in her cage.

    Was she ever in charge?
    Doubt it.




    Kind of how it is in Saudi Arabia.
    They got a king. He's in charge of the country, while the clergy control the religion of their own king and of the people and so the cultural themes that go with it. It's not like Oman, where their sultan is a true ruler over everything.

    And so I got my doubts if that president had any authority to speak off.
     
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    Overthrowing other nations "Democratic Elections" by hook or crook if we don't like the outcome is an American foreign policy tradition, where have you been?
     
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    The NLD leader could hardly say much against the Rohingyas being driven out in a country which is 90% Buddhist Burmese. The majority of the population says that it was radicalized Muslims who were terrorizing both peaceful Muslims and peaceful Buddhists in the Rakhin state where the troubles have gone on for years. The citizens apparently have been largely in favor of their military clearing out the radicals and may not care if the peaceful Rohingyas were forced to flee in the process.

    Aung San See Kyi needed for her party to win an election. Being sympathetic to the Rohyingya would have made the NLD Party unpopular.
     
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    Heavy arms....? What history are you referring to?
     
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    Follow the money.

    Much of Myanmar's oil reserves are in the Rakhin state. China and Saudi plan a pipeline from Saudi to China through the middle of Myanmar and China and Myanmar have plans to increase building up the oil business and drill for oil in Myanmar, which is promised to bring 100,000 jobs to the Myanmar people in the Rakhin state. They also have plans to have many other products moved through a new, major port at Rakhin. People, who have largely been making a living fishing, were supposed to be paid to leave their land for oil/gas and pipeline work to and other port operations to progress but weren't paid to move. I expect that military is expelling people by force more for economics than religion. Business as usual.

    BlackRock group, with high-level BlackRock people selected as top economic advisors on both Kamala's and Biden's teams purchased 40% stake in Saudi's ADNOC pipeline business in 2019.

    American eilite interests usually have to do with profiting on oil or other natural resources, cloaked under the guise of humanitarianism and "advancing democracy". That has been the case with every administration since WWII.

    Saudi, China, and Myanmar need the Biden administration to support Myanmar's oil and pipeline projects for economic development there. BlackRock and investors in their Middle East and Asian oil funds should make out rather nicely over the next few years. BlackRock is in great position to cut through a bunch of governmental red tape, since their executives are now key players in our government's economic direction.

    Ironic that we cut off pipeline and oil jobs in the U.S. and the elites make a fortune off massive Middle East and Asian oil and pipeline expansions. And of course, this means war and U.S. military interference "assistance" in Myanmar if some people are not displaced.

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    Obama arming and training the "nice ISIS" Muslims to kill the "mean ISIS" Muslims in the continued "War on Terror" which Bush started after 9-11. Know your history!
     
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    Yes, it's an actual military coup:
     
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    This is a real bummer you know... Suu Kyi isn't perfect but if you asked any Myanmar\Burmese citizen what military rule was like last time around, I very much doubt they will happy about this... Also notable that the main political opposition party is Military backed... The 25% of the parliament they have held constitutionally since the the new constitution was written is un-democratic.

    The military oppress The Rohingya. The politicians simply couldn't do anything about it... The oppression of Rohingya also didn't start this decade... It's been happening since the beginning of time!
     
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    Of course it's a coup. We can discuss if the coup was the right decision based on the circumstances, but there's no serious suggestion of it not being a coup.
     
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    Biden team is reviewing sanctions.

    Trump team sanctioned four top military leaders, including Myanmar's Commander in Chief around December 10th for human rights abuses against the Rohingya and other minorities, which should still be in effect.

    No sanctions were placed on military-owned businesses.
     
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    This looks like the insurrection y'all have been pining for. Now you know what one looks like
     
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    A Military coup is somewhat different to a group of civilians storming a Government HQ... Militaries are far more likely to succeed
     
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    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...ouncil-due-to-meet-tuesday-idUSKBN2A13BG?il=0

    U.N. fears for Myanmar Rohingya after coup, Security Council due to meet Tuesday

    A 2017 military crackdown in Myanmar’s Rakhine state sent more than 700,000 Rohingya Muslims fleeing into Bangladesh, where they are still stranded in refugee camps. U.N. Secretary-General Antonio Guterres and Western states accused the Myanmar military of ethnic cleansing, which it denied.

    “There are about 600,000 Rohingya those that remain in Rakhine State, including 120,000 people who are effectively confined to camps, they cannot move freely and have extremely limited access to basic health and education services,” U.N. spokesman Stephane Dujarric told reporters.


    “So our fear is that the events may make the situation worse for them,” he said.
     
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