The Lie of AOC "almost died"...... AOC lied about Capitol Riots

The Capitol Police are ON FILM holding the door open and letting the protesters into the building.
You are seriously uninformed or just plain lying.

 

~ It is a scary thing to witness the politicization and abolition of the U.S. Supreme Court and Constitution.

 

She was originally in the Capitol, attending the joint session presided over by Pence. That began at 1:00 PM. At 1:10 PM, Trump ended his speech and the crowds began marching toward the Capitol, to join others already there. At 1:26 PM, the Capitol Police reacting to the growing crowd, ordered the evacuation of the Cannon House Office Building and the Madison Building of the Library of Congress. The Cannon Building still housed many of the Congressional staffers, who were there to support the Congressional members in the joint session. At 1:50 PM, the D.C. Police Commander on the scene declares a "riot" in progress. At 2:12 PM, the rioters gain first entry into the Capitol on the Senate side of the building. The joint session (originally gathering in the House chamber), is now divided into their separate chambers for debate on Cruz's motion. At 2:13, VP Pence is removed from the Senate chamber and the Senate is called into recess. In the House, they are debating the motion. With the rioters now approaching the House chamber, it adjourns and begins evacuation at 2:20 PM. At 2:24 PM, President Trump tweets from the White House: "Mike Pence didn't have the courage to do what should have been done to protect our Country and our Constitution, giving States a chance to certify a corrected set of facts, not the fraudulent or inaccurate ones which they were asked to previously certify. USA demands the truth." But, Pence is simply following both the Constitution and U.S. law and released a statement regarding such at 1:00 PM, at the beginning of the joint session. The President is wrong and encouraging the rioters now in the Capitol. Realizing he's lost control of the rioters, at 2:38 PM - eighteen minutes later - he tweets: "Please support our Capitol Police and Law Enforcement. They are truly on the side of our Country. Stay peaceful." But, it's too little, too late. The Capitol is occupied.
Presumably, AOC has, in the meantime, made her way to her office in the Cannon building and is there with a staffer. A Capitol Policeman attempts to enter the office. Not knowing exactly whose side the policeman is on, she hides in her bathroom. The policeman moves on and she flees along with a staffer, to the offices of Katy Porter (D-CA) who has decided that rather evacuate into the streets, now filled with rioters, she and her staff will be safer barricaded in her offices. AOC and her staffer remain in Porter's offices until the end of the rioting. At 3:13 PM, Trump tweets another message calling on the rioters to "remain peaceful." There is no call for the rioters to leave the Capitol. At 4:17 PM, he releases a video telling the rioters that he loves them, that they are very special and that they should go home, while repeating his false claims about the election being stolen from him. At 6:01 PM, he tweets: "These are the things and events that happen when a sacred landslide election victory is so unceremoniously and viciously stripped away from great patriots who have been badly and unfairly treated for so long. Go home with love and in peace. Remember this day forever." The coup attempt is over. It failed. The joint session reconvenes and at around 3:24 AM, on Thursday, January 7th, Congress completes the count with Biden winning 306-232.
At approximately 9:30 PM that evening, Capitol Police Officer Brian D. Sicknick dies of injuries sustained from the rioters the previous day.

 

Don't think she said anything about being confronted in the tunnel. But, thanks for the info.

 

Oohhhhhh yeah right. They threw up a "Gallows kit" real quick from, oh, I don't know... Lowes?
Now you are just being stupid.

 

Yes. At least some, I would think most. Since rioters were by then all over Capitol Hill and based on AOC and Porter's later decision to remain in the Cannon Office building and not venture into the streets, while returning to the Capitol later in the evening to complete the joint session.

 

Not at all. I saw the same video. I think MOST of the Capitol Police were fighting the rioters trying to prevent their entry. A few either actively or passively helped them.

They used the scaffolding put up for the Biden inauguration.

 

I'm here to explain the consequences of the self-interested, sovereignty of the individual meme. The media are only a reflection of a divided community.

You mean...the c. 37 million living in poverty (c.12%) before the pandemic hit, in the richest nation on the planet, are not capable of contributing?

You will discover Milton Friedman's supply side economics - an offshoot of classical liberalism - is also complicit in that egregious outcome .

Let's read on.

No. You don't have an understanding of macro-economic realities, and neoliberalism's (as defined previously, not your weird "collective" narrative, but a dictionary definition) deliberate minimization of wages, to controlinflation and direct reward to the top.

Here we go: a sovereignty of the individual ideologue; automatically, unthinkingly, writing-off more than 10% of the population.

Absolutely disgraceful. The sort of thinking the horrible witch Taylor Green with her tiny brain employs, in order to label people "socialist", and then calls for their execution as "traitors" ....

Go to your local community council and ask if they have work they would like to be done...but cannot "afford" to pay wages...

Yes, and their needs include the experience of employment and earning their own income. Sit down welfare money is morale destroying.

Wrong (as always; but I'm patient).

People are motivated to work by the promise of reward, alongside a natural desire to contribute to the community's development and amenity. Self-interest and competitiveness play a roll.

Well your starting premise (immediately above) was wrong, and now you are heaping error upon error.

No-one (more than 1-2%) is "helpless". Welfare is an indication of a dysfunctional system.

Yes, but the free market pushes the wages of the most gifted higher, and forces the wages of the less gifted lower, and relies on unemployment to control inflation.

That's the natural outcome of free market competition.

But an economy is much more than a private sector free market competition; it is also education, health care, and environmental maintenance.

1. "government" is power, it's a matter of how that power is deployed, eg, for the most gifted, or for everyone.

Of course the exercise of government power doesn't "turn people from their competitive instincts into altruists"; all the more reason why government intervention is required to manage an economy.

Addressed above. Your "socialist" governments have indeed failed, but enabling a Job Guarantee for those not required or not competitive in the private sector, is not "socialism"; it's a just system of resource allocation following contribution, whether in the public or private sector. (A JG can be funded by the nation's treasury and central bank without taxing or borrowing from the private sector).

Now we are getting somewhere...
WHY on earth are "Neo-Marxist or the new communists taking over political popularity"? Because they want a 'free- ride' (no doubt your <sovereignty of the individual> - fueled explanation.

No . It's Milton Friedman's failed supply-side neo-liberal orthodoxy which - like you - fails to consider a role for government in wealth creation (eg in education, healthcare and the environment); and moreover its accompanying "free-trade" dogma internationally (as opposed to fair trade) which is directly responsible for the 1st world "rust belt", as low-wage industrializing Asia destroyed 1st world manufacturing.

With vastly different implications: anyone CAN meaningfully contribute whether in the private or public sector.

NO-ONE is calling for "perfectly balanced equity"....
See how your self-interested sovereignty of the individual meme damages your ability to correctly comprehend a simple concept (fair reward for contribution)?

Correct, and addressed above. Let's read on

There was a thriving craft/guild system before capitalism. eg the master stone-masons and glass workers who produced the great gothic cathedrals in Europe, in prosperous agriculture-based communities (which were wealthy enough to build those great edifices).

Addressed above. It's Friedman's neoliberalism which is the problem; the 'golden age" of capitalism in the US was
1946 - 1960's when the US was the world's factory, and 'sovereignty of the individual' worked well in the US BECAUSE the US was the world's factory.

Yes, but I have the solution, you don't.

Well... a sovereignty of the individual ideology, which isn't aware of the consequences of that ideology (as explored above) MUST result in a divided community as the associated neoliberal economic system leaves many behind.

Quite so. But it helps if you are comfortable, like you and me.
Those actually living in the ghettos are less likely to be beguiled by "hope and optimism".

 

...and, the reason that Socialism has never and will never work is the "naturally self-interested and competitive individuals" you spoke of.

 

The people in the building were let in by the Capitol police except a few dumb-asses the crawled in through a broken window.

Oh so someone tied a noose and hung it on a scaffold. Gotchya.
Hardly "constructed a gallows" as you described.

 

1. You are under-estimating the productive capacities of modern AI and IT enhanced economies.

2. You are looking backward, and drawing the wrong conclusions about what is possible; eg, the eradication of poverty and unemployment.

 

~ Unfortunately many of these individuals end up in politics.

 

I didn't say "gallows kit." I said gallows. Please at least attempt to do some homework. If you had, you would understand that this is true.

 

I'm sorry that the execution device wasn't fancy enough for you. The facts still remain.

 

Well, that was a very nice story and you tell it *SO* Well!
AOC was not at the Capitol. AOC was at a secure building across the street 1/4 mile away.
Another lie: "Capitol Police Officer Brian D. Sicknick dies of injuries sustained from the rioters"
Autopsy reveal zero signs of blunt force trauma. I'm thinking he died from a stroke or Heart attack.

 

No. The facts are nobody "constructed a gallows" as you described. The might have hung a rope from a scaffold but "constructed a gallows"? Get real!

 

~ All drama - all the time ...

 

LOL.. When Harris used her office as a sitting Senator to foment violence all summer, where were you? And when said violence attacked the local and federal governments, I don't recall you ever suggesting that was insurrection. Why not? Somehow, your trigger was what? Apologists are just that, and here you are.

 

Nah. When "community cohesion" is levied at the point of a gun which seems to be the progressive wet dream, well, you're losing your credibility. More, when you transfer the ownership of government from the people to the government, you actually have become the tyrant.

 

No. She asserted that she was being attacked by the mob, which was localized in the Capital though. Which is the lie.

 

Repeating your opinion does not change my opinion that media is the impetus not the result of the division. It seems clear that the five or six trillion dollar corporate conglomerates which own the majority media exist to make money. They get better ratings and more money by selling hate, anger and bias. The public is woefully gullible to propaganda and indoctrination. Media plays on the most primal and negative emotional elements of human nature. Media has lost all objectivity and that is impacting and influencing what people think.

There are about 10% of the population who cannot contribute. We're talking about people with an IQ under 85, and those with severe mental and physical disabilities.

Saying Friedman's theories are complicit in worse economic outcomes does not make your statement true. It is fine if you take the Keynesian or Monetarist side of economics. I firmly believe Friedman was correct and Modern Monetary theory will eventually destroy the economy. Meanwhile, the free markets haven't been given a chance in this country for many decades as the feds have taken too much power away from those who should be able to compete. What we have today is far more Monetarist than Capitalist in practice, and it is not working for anyone except the elites.

There are simply people who cannot contribute to the economy, but we are just repeating our first point now (which is pointless - and boring to anyone who may be reading).

In addition to the low-IQ, and severely mentally and physically impaired, people also age out of the ability to work. What do you propose for frail and fragile seniors who, after dementia and disease, make them unable to contribute?

Well, perhaps I don't understand where you are coming from if you are strictly opposed to free market capitalism, but also do not promote some Socialist/Marxist/Communist dream and fables of perfectly balanced equity.

I have no damage to my ability to correctly comprehend a simple concept. Just sayin'. Disagreement is not incompetence, else we could all place labels on most other people.

I expect that the master craftsmen and architectural artists were compensated more highly than, say, the people picking and threshing wheat. Sounds a little like capitalism before we called it capitalism. The more valuable and/or intricate the skills, the more people earn.

And our government negotiated those manufacturing jobs away from America to other countries. Now, China leads as the "world's factory", followed by India, and their economies are booming while ours sputters and festers. China is about to overtake every other country as the world's economic power largely because they "make things" that other people in the world want and need. We should try doing that again.

Again, "Friedman is the problem," is a debatable opinion. Nothing else.

Arrogance is also not very productive in a debate where people are still seeking a solution to an agreed upon problem.

America has thrived on the sovereignty of the individual. All people yearn to be free. The "consequences" of our past individualism made us a great country. Giving too much power away to a small number of grifters in Washington D.C., which have ballooned the government system into a massive unelected web of constraining and constricting bureaucrats has slowly chipped away at our opportunities to remain a republic of free and sovereign individuals.

The American spirit of hope and optimism, regardless of how oppressive our government becomes, no matter how many of us they impoverish with their dark winter of global techno-fascist tyranny rule, will never die. It is in the heart of every human to be free and sovereign.

 

Right. There were US servicemen who spent a year in Vietnam and never saw the enemy, but it would be absurd to claim they had no reason to fear because of it.

Ironically the very same people who claim she had no reason to fear during the attack are saying that reporting a social media post to a moderator is VIOLENCE and a THREAT.

 

I didn't mention any "constructed gallows." You brought it up just now. And "crawling in through a broken window" was one of many pictures of forced entry. Did you miss the ones showing the fighting between the police and those breaking and entering?

 

She had to be at the Capitol for the joint session. And, I haven't seen the autopsy of Sicknick. However, I think you are mistaken.

 

I wasn't on the internet during the summer due to family illnesses. I've condemn all violence and those who encourage such. Are you using that incidence as justification for the Capitol insurrection?