Climate change science resources

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  1. Jack Hays

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    Under Trump, U.S. Breathed the Cleanest Air in History

    Doug Domenech, Federalist
     
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    What a despicable attack on innocent children's minds.
     
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    Nevertheless, non-CO2 pollution remains a problem with new ICE vehicles.

    Vehicle emissions | Green Vehicle Guide

    (The above is a link)

    "Air Pollutant Emissions
    Air pollutants such as carbon monoxide, nitrogen oxides, particulate matter, volatile organic compounds and benzene are emitted into the environment by motor vehicles. Air pollutants can contribute to urban air quality problems, such as photochemical smog and adversely affect human health. Further information on the impacts and sources of air pollutants is available from the Department of the Environment and Energy. National Pollutant Inventory data indicates that in Australia motor vehicles remain a major cause of air pollution in urban areas. However, not all vehicles contribute the same amount of air pollution to the atmosphere". 2021

    Note: Australia now imports all its vehicles.

    And even if the above underlined excerpt includes the entire vehicle fleet, old and new, there is still a problem with NEW vehicles:

    Smog, Soot, and Other Air Pollution from Transportation | Transportation, Air Pollution, and Climate Change | US EPA

    (the above is a link)

    Programs to Reduce Smog, Soot, and Other Air Pollution from Transportation

    EPA implements national programs and standards for fuels and vehicles that reduce air pollution including smog, soot, and toxic pollutants, and spur investments in clean vehicle and engine technology. EPA programs to reduce emissions from transportation sources have resulted in less smog and soot, significantly better air quality and better health for Americans. By 2030, EPA air quality emissions standards for vehicles are projected to annually prevent:

    • 40,000 premature deaths
    • 34,000 avoided hospitalizations
    • 4.8 million work days lost

    In other words, the current crop of anti-pollution catalytic converters is still unsatisfactory.

    And Trump?

    (link)

    Trump, EPA Decide On Far Easier Fuel Economy Standards For Automakers (motor1.com)

    in the meantime, more and more people (regardless of the veracity of AGW science) - traumatized by (possibly) more frequent climate-related catastrophes - seem ready to agree with Biden when he said "You can feel it (ie, climate change) in your bones...".
     
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    Agreed, we should keep children as far away from science as possible.
     
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    From the link in #201:
    • Americans are breathing the cleanest air in our nation’s recorded history.
    • Combined emissions of criteria and precursor pollutants dropped 7 percent.
    Game, set, match.
     
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    Climate “emergency” claims falsified by real world data
    • Date: 04/02/21
    • Global Warming Policy Foundation
    London, 4 February: The familiar narrative of a climate “emergency” is not supported by a vast body of observational data, according to a new paper published by the Global Warming Policy Foundation.


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    Contrary to popular belief there is little evidence of harmful trends from the impact of global warming. According to the paper’s author, Dr Indur Goklany,

    “Almost everywhere you look, climate change is having only small, and often benign, impacts. The impact of extreme weather events ― hurricanes, tornadoes, floods and droughts ― are, if anything, declining. Economic damages have declined as a fraction of global GDP. Death rates from such events have declined by 99% since the 1920s. Climate-related disease has collapsed. And more people die from cold than warm temperatures”

    And even sea-level rise – predicted to be the most damaging impact of global warming – seems to be much less of a problem than thought. According to Dr Goklany, reviews of historic maps and satellite imagery have shown that the places predicted to disappear are in fact still with us.

    “A recent study showed that the Earth has actually gained more land in coastal areas in the last 30 years than it has lost through sea-level rise. We now know for sure that coral atolls aren’t disappearing and even Bangladesh is gaining more land through siltation than it is losing through rising seas.”

    Empirical data also shows that food production per capita has increased by 30% since 1961 despite a more-than-doubling of the global population. Hunger and malnutrition have declined, area burnt by wild fires has declined, and since 1950 poverty has declined, people are wealthier and global life expectancy has increased from 46 years to 73 years.

    Dr Goklany’s paper Impacts of Climate Change: Perception and Reality is published by the Global Warming Policy Foundation and can be downloaded here (pdf).

    About the author

    Indur M. Goklany is an independent scholar and author. He was a member of the US delegation that established the IPCC and helped develop its First Assessment Report. He subsequently served as a US delegate to the IPCC, and as an IPCC reviewer.
     
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    That crap is propaganda, not science.
     
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    No, there isn't and the type of currency in use is irrelevant.

    Friedman was neither a Neo-Liberal nor a Neo-Liberal Institutionalist nor Supply-Side.

    Notwithstanding the fact that the US was an economic disaster when it created its own currency, the currency is irrelevant.

    And why do they under-write interest-bearing loans?

    Um, because something is being created or consumed.

    Interest reflects the cost of loaning money.

    Money loaned must be accounted and accounting isn't free, except in your world where everyone is your slave and works for free.

    Explain how you intend to divide those resources up for The Poor® without losing value.

    So, in your world, people are not only slaves who work on-demand for you for free, they have no choices to make.

    The operand is "contemporarily" proving my point that the term was co-opted for nefarious purposes.

    I do not know if he did or did not, but I seriously doubt you understand the term "Stagflation" was created by the Media.

    In addition to Monetary Inflation and Wage Inflation, there was also Demand-pull Inflation.

    I have no interest in what Trump observed, but you and he have something in common and that is you refuse to accept the fact that American Black Culture is toxic and that poverty is self-inflicted.

    National sovereignty is not obsolete

    I'm a Constructivist. Why would I want to go to war?

    As a Constructivist, I can prove why the US fails, but I can also explain why the US does what it does, because I have a much deeper understanding of US Geo-Political Strategy than you ever will.

    Whether or not the US will succeed depends on whether Russia and/or China can develop States fast enough.

    That is the Marxian view of Economics, not the Marxian view of History. Learn and understand the difference.

    REDO FROM START

    Yes, there would still be have-nots no matter what you do because poverty is self-inflicted.

    What is to stop someone in poverty in Michigan from spending $125 to be certified as a MIG/TIG welder and earn wage of $18-$65/hour?

    Nothing, except themselves.

    I'm sure you'll come up with 50 Million excuses why they cannot.

    Search the web.

    There's a guy with $1,200 worth of butt-ugly tattoos whining that he doesn't have $400 cash for an emergency.

    Well, gosh if he ain't got the common sense a piece of paper has to put $400 in a bank and only get $800 worth of butt-ugly tattoos, that ain't my fault and no minimum wage at any level will ever change the fact that he's dumber than a box of rocks.

    Which part of "Foreign Policy" are you unable to grasp?

    Again, the operand is "contemporarily" proving the term was co-opted for nefarious purposes.

    So you admit you're unable to determine when, and if, data is being manipulated.

    Wages have not flat-lined and you can now buy more than you ever could.

    You're unconditional surrender is accepted.

    Why wouldn't it?

    I can see why uneducated unintelligent people might think that $10 purchase 40 years ago should still be $10 today.

    Ever hear of Demand-pull Inflation?

    It occurs when goods, services or resources are being over-consumed, over-used or depleted.

    Increasing wages to offset Demand-pull Inflation does not stop goods, services and resources from being over-consumed, over-used or depleted.

    It only guarantees further destruction. Maybe one day you'll understand.

    Well, currently, most households pay 10%-35% to the federal government and 1%-3% to their State government (if their State has an income tax and not all States do).

    So, after restoring the Constitution, households would pay 1%-3% to the federal government and maybe 5%-20% to their State government.

    Realistically, there's no way to pay for it over the short term.

    However, payment can be made over the long term.

    Stock options are not cash.

    You seem to think that we can hand The Poor a spoonful of dirt from a $40 Million piece of real estate and everything will be peachy.

    I'm not ignoring it and the PEW figures do not stand.

    You ignore Demand-pull Inflation, because it's beyond your comprehension.


    There are 23+ Million businesses in the US.

    3% or ~690,000 are publicly-traded corporations.

    From that ~690,000 you cherry pick 500 CEOs or 0.0724% and then claim that CEOs earn 278 times that of the rank-and-file.

    Do you still not get it?
     
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    Your lack of command of the English language is noted. You moved the goal posts.

     
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    No. I did not move the goalposts, your claim is just false. And FYI, I scored 170/170 on the GRE verbal. You did not.

    Try to learn how to use the quote function.
    More accurately, they show that if capital gains taxes are raised, people tend to wait to take them, hoping the rate will be reduced again, while when they are reduced, people tend to take them while the rates are low, in case they get raised back up.
    I don't advocate capital gains taxes because they distort markets and reduce their liquidity, as explained above. I'm just pointing out that taxing earned income also distorts and damages the economy, but earned income doesn't get that preferential treatment. Overall, taxing earned income damages the economy more because capital gains tend to represent capitalized rents.
    I wouldn't even tax them that much -- but nor would I tax earned income.
    That fact is no more relevant than the fact that it is not stew, England, or origami. Your constant repetition of that irrelevancy shows that you are trying to deflect attention from the relevant facts because you have already realized that those facts prove your beliefs are false and evil.
    Were you under an erroneous impression that that comment was somehow relevant? Or are you merely trying to deflect attention from the relevant facts because you have already realized that they prove your beliefs are false and evil?
    Yes. Are you aware that anyone who claims non-cash assets are not wealth is lying?
    No.
    No, that is merely another false claim from you. My observation of fact is only predicated on the indisputable FACT that if not for her (or some similar owner), others would have been at liberty to use the land. She therefore took it from all who would otherwise have been at liberty to use it. That is not a claim. It is an indisputable fact of objective physical reality. It is merely a fact that you have to contrive some means of not knowing, because you have already realized that it proves your beliefs are false and evil.
    Yes, it indisputably does. The proof is that its market value proves that at least two people can think of something productive enough to do with it to justify paying that much for it.
    Again, that is merely another silly (and disingenuous) claim from you that is unrelated to anything I have said.
     
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  11. a better world

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    To avoid poverty, people need fresh food, clean clothing, clean housing (public or private), utilities (power, water, internet), and transport (public or private).....all personally earned (to maintain self-esteem and morale) via participation/contribution to the nation's economic development and amenity. Full stop.

    Therefore, to say the nation doesn't have the resources to produce this outcome is obviously absurd.

    [Now, obviously consumption beyond one's means will cause indebtedness and possibly poverty; this is where public education is required to teach people to despise junk-consumerism pushed by greedy, money-chasing, purely profit -driven capitalists who think flogging health-destroying crap/services is legitimate "wealth-creating" business].

    Now as to the nation's currency: within the nation, fiat currencies have value because citizens need the currency to pay fees, fines and taxes to the government, and to conduct business with other citizens; and externally (vis a vis other nation's currencies) , a particular fiat currency has value determined by the nation's output produced by the nation's use of available resources and productive capacity which is desired by consumers both locally and overseas.

    So your entire 'sovereignty of the individual' meme is an absurdity from the start; the nation's resources can and MUST be allocated with a minimum standard of fairness, implemented via sensible government otherwise the result is as expected - a riot in the Capitol itself. Your "poverty is a choice" meme is more absurdity, and will continue to divide the nation. (Luckily for the US, Harris is able to wave the much-needed $2000 rescue package through congress despite the Repubs turning deficit hawks to a man....even though their own hero recently dumped by the electorate wanted a package of that size ...)

    'Sovereignty of the individual' worked when the US was the world's factory - 1946 to 1960's; but since then Asia has usurped that position; and today China is the world's factory, with its population fully employed and all hands on deck; and polls showing 90% approval of the government, as absolute poverty has at last been eradicated in China this year, with a middle class of 400 million expected to double within a decade: an amazing result for a nation without a middle class at all, only 4 decades ago. And it sure wasn't achieved on 'sovereignty of the individual' delusional nonsense.

    Oh ...and the 60's; that's when Friedman showed up soon after, to ensure capital in the US could command a greater share of the shrinking pie vis a vis workers, as manufacturing began disappearing to Asia in the 70's (eg Detroit's population decreased from 1.8 million to 700,000 from 1965 -2000, leading to municipal bankruptcy, as Corolla became the world's largest selling vehicle from the early 70's.

    "When the term entered into common use in the 1980s in connection with Augusto Pinochet's economic reforms in Chile, it quickly took on negative connotations and was employed principally by critics of market reform and laissez-faire capitalism. Scholars tended to associate it with the theories of Mont Pelerin Society economists Friedrich Hayek, Milton Friedman and James M. Buchanan, along with politicians and policy-makers such as Margaret Thatcher, Ronald Reagan and Alan Greenspan.[6][27] Once the new meaning of neoliberalism became established as a common usage among Spanish-speaking scholars, it diffused into the English-language study of political economy.[6] By 1994, with the passage of NAFTA and with the Zapatistas' reaction to this development in Chiapas, the term entered global circulation.[5] Scholarship on the phenomenon of neoliberalism has grown over the last few decades.[19][28]

    The US was the world's powerhouse 1946-1960's. Sovereign currency-issuing governments can - and must - be authorized to create and spend their own currency into the economy.

    They don't "underwrite" them, they judge the customer is "credit worthy" and create the deposit/loan 'ex nihilo'; and as for interest, its usury.... ie, a private sector scam.

    Addressed above, Your private sector money creation scam is just that...a scam.

    Fact: sovereign currency-issuing governments can also issue and spend money, obviating the current need for government to go begging to raise taxes or borrowing from self-interested private-sector money bags.

    via an above poverty Job Guarantee, since the resources exist as explained above.

    People CAN contribute in either private sector free markets, or public sector wealth creation eg in education, research, health work, public infrastructure, park maintenance, all of which the government can pay for without taxing or borrowing from the private sector.

    Slavery? Another absurd, Conservative, 'sovereignty of the individual' black-is-white proposition.

    I should leave you and your divided nation to its fate......

    From the same article quoted above:

    "Neoliberalism
    or neo-liberalism[1]neoliberalism was part of a paradigm shift away from the prevailing Keynesian economic consensus that existed prior to the persistent stagflation of the 1970s.[15][16]"


    Conveniently noted in the quote above (underlined).

    " persistent high inflation combined with high unemployment and stagnant demand in a country's economy".

    Causes

    1. Push inflation caused by high oil prices in the 70's.
    2. High unemployment - and stagnant demand - caused by loss of manufacturing to Asia.

    You forgot push inflation from overseas (70's Arab oil embargo)

    Sheer blind ideology. Slave culture, and the resulting systemic cultural disadvantage ...still reverberating down through the generations - IS toxic; and your assertion that poverty is self-inflicted is dis-proven by that fact alone.

    Slavery was inflicted by force... and maintained by an evil, self-interested 'sovereignty of the individual' ideology.

    But you can't see it, BECAUSE your absurd 'sovereignty of the individual' renders you ideologically blind.

    I should leave your nation to its fate.....except the victims of that absurd ideology don't deserve its evil consequences, noted by Trump when he said "you are living in poverty, your neighborhoods are like war zones" etc

    It most certainly IS obsolete. As the GLOBAL economy increasingly encroaches on the planet's ecological limits, national sovereignty (like individual sovereignty) will increasingly require co-ordination/co-operation with the development policies of other nations.

    "Constructivism is an important learning theory that educators use to help their students learn. Constructivism is based on the idea that people actively construct or make their own knowledge, and that reality is determined by your experiences as a learner".May 27, 2020

    Cor blimey...the 'sovereignty of the individual' meme gone completely mad (note my underlined); no wonder 'fake news' and conspiracy theories are all the rage... Feel free to supply YOUR definition of "Constructivism" ....

    Why would you want to go to war? To defend your absurd 'sovereignty of the individual' ideology, of course.

    Laughable. As a 'Constructivist', you apparently can make up ANY s***.

    I'm becoming disappointed in your capacity for analysis now.

    Firstly, I doubt many people could make sense of that statement as it stands, and secondly, the US ought to be able to succeed, ALONG WITH Russia and/or China. Indeed China IS certainly succeeding, much to the chagrin of the likes of Bannon, Pompeo and Trump.

    Er..eradicating poverty IS economics....

    Disproved above. Poverty is a cultural phenomenon, not individually self-inflicted.

    I'm sure you'll come up with 50 Million excuses why they cannot.
    Search the web.[/QUOTE]

    The best figure for unemployment + underemployment (U6) plus those who have given up looking for work was c.10% before the pandemic hit. That's still a lot of competition for a welding job.

    Yeh..a loser, courtesy of the fancy crap-junk advertising industry and its well-trained junk consumers.

    Courtesy your "sovereignty of the individual" delusion that prevents the education department from educating its citizens re clean values-based living, in all its public schools.

    The obsolete 'absolute national sovereignty' delusional part.

    Fully addressed above. Your Constructivism is as delusional as your sovereignty of the individual ideology, indeed they are delusions designed to reinforce one-anther.

    One small problem with that assertion: your mother probably stayed home in the 60's to look after you and your siblings. BOTH parents have to work today, to pay the bills; and even so half the US population cannot find $600 from savings in an emergency, whereas a father on working wages in the 60's could take his family on an annual holiday at least once a year.

    It's the purchasing power of today's wage that is important, not how much the dollar has devalued, in 6 decades.

    Yes, and government can manage it if required, by regulation, or means-tested sales taxes.

    Quite so, and already addressed.

    Meanwhile, CEOs wages ARE increasing compared with median (workers) wages.

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    CEO Pay Is Rising Much Faster Than Worker Salaries (payscale.com)

    " It finds that CEO compensation at the 350 largest U.S. firms has grown 940.3% since 1978. Meanwhile, compensation for typical workers at those firms rose just 11.9% during that time".
     
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    In my travels I met a number of Chileans, mostly young and all in business. The surprising thing was their nearly uniform praise of Pinochet for his economic reforms that they believed enabled their later success. Just one man's experience.
     
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    Got it. But "restoring the constitution" requires 2/3 of the states, and your sovereignty of the individual delusion won't make it past first base.

    In fact the Fed and treasury of the sovereign currency-issuing US government COULD be authorized to write off the covid-rescue package debt, since resources are under-utlized in the pandemic lock-down.

    But even mainstream RW economists are not concerned about the size of the covid-rescue debt, while Powell says he will keep interest rates near zero.

    Bringiton has addressed this silliness. I don't have ANY cash, no do I use it (except there is a $20 note moldering in my wallet). I do have some stocks.

    PEW is a professional outfit. More confirmation of the same figures:

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    CEO Pay Is Rising Much Faster Than Worker Salaries (payscale.com)

    2. CEO PAY HAS INCREASED DRAMATICALLY IN RECENT DECADES, EVEN WHEN COMPARED WITH OTHER HIGH-WAGE EARNERS
    The top 0.1% of wage earners are all doing very well financially. About 40% of this group may be managers or executives, but they’re not CEOs. No one is suffering in this group, that’s for sure. However, it’s interesting to note that CEOs’ earnings are dramatically outpacing even the pay of folks in this income bracket.


    No, we both understand what demand pull inflation is, but you have not indicated an understanding of supply push inflation.


    More from the above article:

    3. THE GAP BETWEEN THE COMPENSATION OF CEOS AND THAT OF TYPICAL WORKERS HAS GROWN MUCH WIDER
    Compared with those of a typical worker, CEO compensation rates are particularly astonishing. The ratio of CEO-to-typical-worker compensation Is currently 278-to-1, by an options-realized measure. And, its 221-to-1 when a stock-options-granted measure is applied.

    The gap is widening. In 1989, the rate was 58-to-1 (options realized). And, it was 30-to-1 in 1978. CEOs made just 20 times more than the typical worker in 1965.













     
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    Yes, just one man's experience.

    Not that of the working class in Chile, who had elected Allende on a socialist platform, in a democratic election; overthrown by a CIA-backed military coup led by Pinochet.

    So not surprisingly, just last year the Chileans were out in force protesting economic mismanagement by the neoliberal government (before the pandemic).
     
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    According to YOUR rules, maybe.

    The "cleanest on record" is still deadly, regardless of by how much pollutants are dropping.

    And now the court of public opinion is beginning to overtake you....regardless of the veracity of AGW.

    (link)

    U.S. Public Views on Climate and Energy | Pew Research Center

    "Majorities of Americans say the federal government is doing too little for key aspects of the environment, from protecting water or air quality to reducing the effects of climate change. And most believe the United States should focus on developing alternative sources of energy over expansion of fossil fuel sources, according to a new Pew Research Center survey".
     
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    Actually, the coup was not so much CIA-backed as it was CIA-"we aren't going to oppose you." Regardless, the Chileans I met said what they said.
     
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    The "court of public opinion" is too often dominated by the ignorant.
     
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    You are not wrong.....

    But you will have a hard time demonstrating that climate scientists are "ignorant"; meantime pollutants from fossil ICEs in high congestion urban areas ARE deadly.
     
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    As already posted, cleanest air ever, now. Meanwhile:
    How Climate Change Pseudoscience Became Publicly Accepted
     
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    IMO you will have a hard time demonstrating that climate scientists who are not ignorant actually believe the IPCC scare stories.
     
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    Possibly...that's why I prefer to stay away from the AGW issue. But surely scientists are not THAT crooked, and can speak for themselves?

    I just wish the university engineering and materials faculties would lay out in a transparent fashion the actual course - 'brick by brick' - by which we replace fossil infrastructure with green infrastructure, including the timeline.

    Then we will all be able to see if indeed it's possible to end up with a planet powered by free wind, sun (after the infrastructure is built) and nuclear...a desirable prospect indeed.

    Perhaps they are not aware the whole global fossil industry should be "nationalized ' ie compensated and taken out of private enterprise hands, meaning the "money cost" of transition is no longer an issue since it could be funded ex nihilo by sovereign currency-issuers (or the BIS itself)
     
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    It only takes a few being crooked to shift the parameters of the debate; and no, they can't speak for themselves without risking their careers.
     
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    He seems unaware that Crook, Dr. Mann has LOST two lawsuits claiming defamation.

    The Costs of Mann Delay
    or Michael E Mann, Loser (Again) and Deadbeat (for Sure)


    LINK
     
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    I see the technical possibility of running the global economy on free sunshine and wind being the catalyst to enable change in human civilization from its hitherto deadly genocidal. homicidal-based competition, to a new civilization based on creative competition.

    Ties in with a remark by Biden today, namely, seeking "intense"** competition with China, not destructive conflict.

    (**definition open to debate, but it's better than Trump's one way street to nuclear Hell, in a war with China).
     
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    Not science.

    Read the theories of science themselves...
     

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