My Pillow CEO Mike Lindell Releases Absurd Conspiracy Infomercial

Very good. And as I correctly pointed out, There is no evidence or proof of election fraud or that the election was stolen from trump, Trumps DHS, trumps DOJ, trumps Attorney General, republican secretaries of state, republican governors, all 50 state election committees, every single court this has been in front of (over 60), republican appointed judges, trump appointed judges, all 9 supreme court justices have all shown you that

 

1. Election fraud is common and well documented in the US.
2. There is a great deal of evidence of massive election fraud during the 2020 election.
3. There is no absolute proof.

 

2. There is a great deal of NO evidence of massive election fraud during the 2020 election.

Here is the final best comment on this Gone With The Wind of Nonsense

 

Have the "defamation lawyers" sued Lindell?

 

If this was 2016 and he was a Hillary supporter the left would call him a patriot.

 

Such as?

 

And the right would can him a traitor and try to have him arrested and executed, whereas the left is content with mocking him and anyone foolish enough to defend him.

 

What is is, Monday? After this hot mess came out late Thursday?

They've sued Rudy, they've sued Kraken lady... seems to me to be a matter of time.....

https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2021/02/dominion-voting-mike-lindell-mypillow-oan-trump/

I'll keep YOU posted!

 

You know... EV_I_DENCE!!!

(look for a textbook definition coming your way shortly. Like posting a definition of the word evidence means jackshit...

 

no it isn't. every investigation and study into the matter has concluded it is statistically zero.

there is no evidence of massive election fraud in the 2020 election, as Trumps DHS, trumps DOJ, trumps Attorney General, republican secretaries of state, republican governors, all 50 state election committees, every single court this has been in front of (over 60), republican appointed judges, trump appointed judges, all 9 supreme court justices have all shown you

of course there is.

 

The real tragedy is what took place last night in Tamp Bay!

Before anyone gives Tom Brady the trophy, don't forget that the Chiefs have the right to exhaust every legal avenue to challenge the result! It would be irresponsible to congratulate the Buccaneers so early. Many fans are upset. We wouldn't want them to lose trust.

KC actually won by a landslide and we all know it. I have absolute proof of this. KC just needs the NFL to find 23 more points, then they can be back to back Champs.

Stop the steal!!

 

1) Election fraud is 'common' only in the sense that a tiny % is detected in every major election. For mail in ballots the fraud prosecutions rate is about 0.0006% historically. Direct voting? even less. Historically it was higher but voter identification and digital cross checking have eliminated most opportunities for fraud decades ago. This is established fact. There is abundant research, much of it predating the last election proving it.

2) OK then, time to stop talking about it and actually do something about it. Collect all that evidence and give it to the appropriate law enforcement authorities.

3) Sorry we've gone strait from 'massive evidence' of fraud to 'no absolute proof' ??? I suppose I could simply say which is it 'massive' or 'not absolute'? But instead I point out that proof at a criminal level only needs to be beyond reasonable doubt. That is a high bar but it is way, way, waaaaay below massive! Let alone absolute! In fact apart from death and taxes there's no absolute proof of anything in this world.

But that aside I can guarantee you that the 'massive' (amount) of evidence you allegedly claim exists is more that enough to prosecute suspects for electoral fraud and any other related offenses like conspiracy or treason. So again have at it. As a no doubt loyal US Citizen its your duty to present this evidence to the appropriate officials asap. Hint though - something your read on the internet is not evidence.

 

No. Schiff and the gang are still around.

 

Depends on the state in some yes in some no, depends on when they determine a ballot is cast, when it is received into the hands of the postal system or when it is delivered to the elections office or when it is run through a tabulation machine on election day.

 

And so I ask again when someone states this canard. First why does it matter if it's a major of minor election and what is the difference an election is an election and who wins as mayor of my city or my city councilman has a huge direct effect on me. They are important positions. Second define "tiny %", how much is ok? How much does it take to change the outcome of an election, even "major" ones.

Prosecutions being the key word here. Prosecutions does not equal occurrence or even effect on an election.

Yes especially where we require proper ID, funny how the Democrats still fight that.

 

Yeah? And, so what?
It is Minuscule (and happens on both sides).

NO there Isn't.
However, there is a great deal of evidence of massive Bigfoot sightings during the 2020 Iditarod Sled Race.

"absolute proof" of WHAT?

There is NO "absolute proof" that Mars isn't populated by Pink Unicorns.

Tl;Dr--Your entire attempt at "argument" is an Epic FAIL.

 

Not that I'm a fan of his by any means but for what?

He's the kinda of guy who is hard to place, he could be one of the biggest schisters we've seen in a while or he REALLY believes what he says in his own mind. His informercial and his line "and I can prove mathematically that God exists and I do so in my book". Yeah right Mike, all the greatest mathematicians since ancient Egypt and never been able to prove mathematically but you a professed saved drug addict Mike Lindell figured it all out...........geezzz

Funny story back when just his first stupid commercial was running I was at a manufacturing plant of a major foam producer and was riding back to the line with the maintenance manager and we ride by these bins of scrap waiting to be sent out to dump. I laughed and said "isn't that the stuff that mattress guy buys up in little chunks and stuffs into pillows?" he laugh and said they were just talking about that this morning in the shop and they probably pay him to come a get it!!!!

 

In this case the term 'major ' was used in reference to national State and large City elections only because with limited amount of amount of time/ research the references I found were to those. In general county & township election etc weren't referred to but may have been included. Secondly it makes no difference what the size the election is. The amount on fraud over the past couple of decades as recorded via prosecutions is tiny/bordering on infinitesimal. And' infinitesimal' by default means the fraud detected can have little effect on the outcome of the election - and certainly not in the case of the last Presidential election.

Prosecutions are all we have as a template to work with in terms of facts/statistics. By default undetected frauds can't be counted. You wish to assert there is a high level of undetected fraud? Then its up to you to prove it, not me to disprove it. Good luck. Which leaves frauds that were detected but which weren't for some reason prosecuted. I am aware of no figures for this metric, so if you can produce them, please do so. Point being if you really want to argue that there is a far higher level of frauds that for whatever reason are not prosecuted than ones that are? Again, over to you to prove. I can only rely on the available facts and figures. Mere speculation and 'what if's' don't cut it.

No opinion or comment due to a lack of information.

 

You don't think small city elections are important too? Of course it makes a different, it's much easier for fraudulent votes to sway a small election that a larger on but that doesn't mean the a larger cannot be swayed by a trivial amount of fraudulent votes. Do you know what was the vote margin that put Bush43 into office? Al Franken into the Senate. Which party controlled the statehouse of Virginia election before last?

Voter fraud is extremely hard to prove and we don't make a great effort to do so. And by default an undetected fraudulent vote gets counted, it gets passed through. And once it's in the system nothing can be done about it. For instance someone looks a week later at an election they didn't vote it and sees someone submitted a ballot and it was accepted and counted. They can't demand the vote be retracted because no ones knows how it was cast except for the person who fraudulently did, and you can't track anymore.

Can you show me where Democrats have supported voter ID, they go to the Supreme Court fighting it. In some Dems states even the standard for signature was grossly lowered below standards and in one state none was even required.

 

Re-read my post. I clearly stated that in the brief period of time I took to research the topic I didn't see any commentary on small town/city etc elections while also noting at the same time that they may have been included in the data I was reviewing. How exactly does that translate to not 'thinking small town elections are important too' or similar?

Which more or less sums up my argument that using prosecuted fraud is the best stand in we have for the total level of fraud, pending you or someone else coming up with a better measure. In the example you gave fraud should still be reported, confirmed and presumably investigated.

Not a topic I follow closely. I am aware that certain conservative States are pushing for tougher ID requirements which Democrats fear may disadvantage or disenfranchise people inclined to vote Democrat. IMO there's an argument to be made both ways. You want a reasonable degree of confidence that the person voting is who they say they are and at the same time you don't want one party 'gaming' the system to discourage potential legitimate voters from doing so for political advantage. So that word 'compromise' rears its ugly head again. And as we all know compromise is an endangered species in US politics.

As an aside registration for voting purposes is automatic here when a citizen turns 18 and new citizens get registered once their citizenship comes through. So there's no need to register yourself.

 

You would have to study it to come to a conclusion?

It's a worthless number as to how much actually occur. What percent do we catch out of all the fraud. Sure it should be reported the trouble is finding it and reporting it before the vote is cast.

Not stronger just what we've had in many states for many years, the Democrats would rather have NONE. And they insult the very people to claim to represent by insinuated they are not capable of registering to vote or have a proper ID which in this world is used everywhere and simple pragmatic requirement to cast your vote. We need more than a "reasonable degree of confidence" we need as much confidence as we can muster and it's pretty simple with requiring you be registered at least ninety days before the election so it can be verified by election officials, that you show a proper ID to an elections office official in order to register and you show that ID when you vote. I've done it all my life as did mother blind mother until she hit 93 sweet years.

If an eighteen year old does not have the gumption, cannot take the hour to go and properly register then quite frankly I don't believe they are responsible enough to be voting and while we certainly cannot stop them the government has no obligation nor does the Constitution mandate they be registered. And registration here is a state and local matter not federal. There are no federal, national elections here only state and local.

 

Well specifically Georgia then

 

Well there's that.

 

Lindell is counting up all the pillows he can sell at all the Trump hotels

 

Read the thread. Election fraud is common in the US.

"49. Unsurprisingly, voter fraud is likewise notoriously common in New Jersey. Examples abound over the last decade.
• In 2010, over a dozen people were arrested and charged with voter fraud and tampering with absentee ballots to get Councilman Rigo Rodriguez elected in Paterson, New Jersey. Councilman Rodriguez won the election by just 41 votes in a recount after 49 previously uncounted absentee ballots were included in the final tally. He and his wife were later arrested on charges of witness tampering in an effort to cover up the voter fraud. Rodriguez ended up serving his entire four-year city- council term before agreeing to a permanent ban from holding office in exchange for the charges to be dropped.
• In 2012, a Belleville resident was found guilty of election fraud, conspiracy, absentee-ballot fraud, forgery, and tampering with public records or information.
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Case 3:20-cv-10753-MAS-ZNQ Document 1 Filed 08/18/20 Page 13 of 37 PageID: 13
Along with his co-conspirators, he tampered with documentation for absentee ballots in the November 2007 general election by submitting ballots on behalf of voters who had never received the ballot nor cast a vote.
• In 2015, a Hoboken resident pleaded guilty to using the mail system to aid a voter- bribery scheme. He provided voters with applications for mail-in ballots, offered them payment for casting them for a certain candidate, reviewed the ballots, and then delivered funds to voters after the election.
• In 2018, another Hoboken resident pleaded guilty to conspiracy to use mail to promote a voter bribery scheme during the 2013 municipal election. She and her associates (at the direction of a city council candidate) agreed to pay voters $50 each in exchange for mail-in votes. The city council candidate was convicted the following year due to the scheme.
• In 2019, Elmwood Park’s mayor resigned from his position in the face of charges of election fraud. Investigators determined that between March 2017 and November 2018, the mayor “had interfered with the secrecy of the election process by completing portions of the application for vote by mail ballot, primary election ballot certifications and general election ballot certifications of registered voters in the borough.”
50. These are just a handful of the many examples of voter fraud and impropriety that have occurred in New Jersey."

IN THE UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT FOR THE DISTRICT OF NEW JERSEY

COMPLAINT FOR DECLARATORY AND INJUNCTIVE RELIEF
DONALD J. TRUMP FOR PRESIDENT, INC., REPUBLICAN NATIONAL COMMITTEE, NEW JERSEY REPUBLICAN STATE COMMITTEE,

Plaintiffs,

v.

PHILIP D. MURPHY, in his official capacity as Governor of New Jersey, TAHESHA WAY, in her official capacity as Secretary of State of New Jersey,
Defendants.

Case 3:20-cv-10753-MAS-ZNQ
Document 1
Filed 08/18/20