What can you do about the Trumpites next door?

The attempts to burn the courthouse down did in fact involve people inside of the building at the time.

But as for the autonomous zones, they involved pushing people out of their homes and declaring the land as no longer under the authority of the government. I don't see how that doesn't qualify as sedition if you're calling the Capitol protests that.

If you're using the context of the Revolutionary War as your defense, then a lot of things shouldn't be considered sedition, including the Capitol protests.

 

Arson is always very bad, and even worse if there are people in the buildings. I don't think I've ever defended that and I resent very highly you're saying or even implying I did.

I don't see how an attack on the Capitol is anything but sedition in any context. Capitols are a unique type of building; they ARE the government in a very real sense. In Colonial/Revolutionary times we didn't have a ruling government and so didn't have a Capitol making any real comparison specious at best

 

Why do you live today by 60 years ago? Why are you comparing someone who was POTUS, to a Dictator who had no compunctions about killing people?

These weak comparisons do not do your position any justice. I'm sure you could toss up a couple 'but he meant', but opinions and assumptions carry no weight.

 

60 or 600 years what matter? Apt is apt and my point is strong. ALL criminals try to excuse their crimes in one way or the other and no excuse is any good. Trump arranged to put that mob there, then he whipped them into a frenzy. He knew exactly what he was doing and subsequent witness testimony shows clearly that he was "delighted" with the results. He should be in jail forever and that only because we are merciful people

The major problem with trying Trump for sedition is it doesn't go far enough, Ted Cruz and several others should be going to jail right along with their bronze god. Just being such shameful Toadies is offense enough. Trump said that Cruz's grandfather killed Kennedy and insulted his wife, while he called Marco Rubio "Little Marco" enough the I or any other man would have smacked him into next Sunday, Secret Service or not. He is a fat, offensive oaf who insults people then hides behind bodyguards and has done so his whole life. That the Republicans even presented him as a Presidential candidate, let alone that they somehow got him to disgrace that Office and our country and then continue to defend him even now is the greatest offense to our nation and the American people that I can even conceive of any group of people ever doing. Republicans should hang their heads in shame over Trump forever and we should never forgive them.

 

Towing a party line blurs vision. Politicians lie and the letter by their name gets their lies heavily scrutinized, ignored, or justified. Since I don't care for either party, I can only measure their dishonesty using results. If you support a party, calling the other party the "party of lies" is the pot calling the kettle black.

An honest politician, a kind lawyer, and Santa Clause walk into a bar...

 

Fact: Trump is the only President who has acted aggressively against China since Nixon opened up trade with the CCP. Why deny the obvious truth?

OTOH, The Bidens are in bed with China.

"President Xi has proven quite adroit at running out the clock on the presumption that President Trump well may be in office for one term. Former Vice President Joe Biden, the leading Democratic hopeful, seems to believe China poses few threats. President Xi managed to burn the first year and a half of the Trump administration with the diplomatic agenda and then brought Ambassador Robert Lighthizer to the brink of a trade deal earlier this year only to once again balk at changing Chinese law to make its system nominally compatible with international commitments."
THE HILL, Trade deal with China is impossible, BY PETER MORICI, 05/30/19.
https://thehill.com/opinion/international/446158-trade-deal-with-china-is-impossible

 

You are the reason your neighbor still has his Trump flag up.

Which person is more emotionally distraught, the person giving the finger or the person receiving the finger?

 

You have only displayed words. You say that the Trumpocity acted aggressively vs China but those are only words. What are the results of the Trumpocity's aggressive words? I know nothing. Nothing. Ok he tried the tariffs and what was the result? The tariffs were passed a.ong to the American consumers. If the Trumpocity wanted to be serious about tariffs make the tariffs 100% of the price of the product . That would get the ChiComs attention because obviously doubling the price squashes the demand for Chineses goods. Of course we would not sell our agricultural goods to the ChiComs either.

 

Baloney. Trump's policies were aggressively anti-China and you know it.
The corrupt bipartisan Deep State and its crony capitalists have been in bed with the CCP ever since Nixon made it for them.

"As mayor of New York City, Michael Bloomberg officially had relinquished control of his company. In reality, his former executives say, Bloomberg was in frequent contact and shared his aspirations for growth in China."
NPR, MEDIA, Bloomberg News Killed Investigation, Fired Reporter, Then Sought To Silence His Wife By David Folkenflik, April 14, 2020, Heard on Morning Edition
https://www.npr.org/2020/04/14/8285...-fired-reporter-then-sought-to-silence-his-wi

 

The idiot with the trump flag, clearly.

 

When I was a kid, in Boy Scouts, there was a particular incident that stands out in my mind. The adult leaders in my troop were all rather conservative, as was my dad. I came to hate the Scouts it as it seemed they tried to turn everything into an excuse to express religious beliefs.

We had set up at a campsite that was sandwiched between a creek and a dirt road. It began to rain and soon the road turned to mud. The rain stopped, but the mud remained. The traffic was light, but soon there was a spot on the road that turned into a muddy soup. Vehicle after vehicle struggled, tires spinning, making it worse. The men, the troop leaders, called us boys together and instructed us to help push the cars through the mud. With twenty or so of us boys, and a few other bystanders, it was easy work pushing cars through the mud. Besides, in between cars, we got to run to the creek and clean off. It was made all the more exciting as there was a group of four or five teenaged girls, camping nearby, who came to help.

We had pushed through about twenty or so cars when a VW van came through. There were four people inside, two men and two women, in their early twenties. Both of the men had long hair. This was the early 1970’s. As we started to push them through, one of the Scout leaders rushed out, telling us boys to get away, “We aren’t going to help any ******* hippies”. He and the other leaders made us boys gather on the hill, away from the road. The other people who were helping, pushed them through, with considerably more difficulty than if we had helped. As they got to the other side, as they stopped to catch their breath, one of the long haired young men raised his finger and yelled “F@@@ the Boy Scouts”. With that, the Scout leader who had instructed us not to help, a fellow who stood at about 6’5”, ran over to the man and beat him down. As he did, three of the other Scout leaders soon joined him and smacked around the other long haired fellow as well. The women, as well as the girls who were helping us, were screaming, the other helpers were yelling, and cars began to back up.

The Scout leaders returned to their seats, sipping from their thinly disguised beer cans, as if nothing had happened. The hippies climbed in their van and drove off.

 

Your reasoning is what's specious. We did have a ruling government -- the British. There were colonial governors and their estates.

Here's a summary of the North Carolina colony's government, for example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Province_of_North_Carolina#Government

 

Politics don't matter.

I cannot imagine not thanking someone for a nice action because I disagree with them politically or any other differences in preference. Generally speaking, you should always give people an honest chance and judge them for their values and virtues rather than doing so on superficilaties.

America is stuck in a very deep, deep level of tribalism that manifests itself in all kinds of lunacy every day. If it is not race or party affiliation/ideology, it is sexual orientation or gender.

This is just ridiculous.

Maybe the neighbours are really cool guys who share many of your interests, so why not try getting to know them?

 

Typical republican behavior. Its not new, this crap is ingrained, it's taught to them and that is what they were doing that day, teaching you and the other scout to HATE anyone that might be different.
You see it on this forum everyday. We all know who they are, we see their hate posted everyday.
Its disgusting.

 

~ Where I live in Los Angeles neighbors do not discuss religion, sex, or politics. We don't want to know. If your neighbors are sane, safe and quiet consider yourself lucky.

 

Even Shapiro recognizes cognitive dissonance:

 

I too have family members who are trumpers and Q anon believers

they like to remind me that once I was a conservative but they now consider me a low life liberal

only because I could see trump and his actions for what they are..

scummy is a good description of trump

at first I would attempt to defend myself and explain I am and have always been a conservative

I would go on to explain my conservative values prevent me from supporting such a scumbag as trump

I believe in honesty and hard work and integrity...I believe in paying my own way and others should as well

despite GWB being a texan I voted for him over Al Gore because I was a conservative

GWB's second term is when the republicans began losing any form of honesty ..

thanks to GWB and Cheney this country has been involved in a conflict since 2003

they flat out lied to get approval from both sides to attack Irag and take out Hussien

then they justified their lies to by blaming Clinton because he lied about getting shiners in the oval office

then the GOP began to preach not paying taxes was a solution to repairing the economy broken by the war

IMHO , during a war taxes should be raised and not lowered ...

during the bush years gas was nearly $5 bucks a gallon and GWB sent out checks for $300 bucks..

$300 bucks was 4 tanks of gasoline back then ..

I voted for McCain because I really thought he was an honest man with integrity

I even sent a few bucks to his campaign, then after obama won and began to dig out of the disaster of bush

I was glad McCain lost because of his choice of a running mate that proved tp be ditzy and stupid

I voted republican for Romney..I also thought he was an honest man

but I accepted the results when Obama gave him a spanking..

along comes trump...I could not bring myself to vote for a scumbag like him

he was a game show host for crying out loud !!

my families hate of democrats allowed them to get caught up in the cult of trump..

they have allowed themselves to believe the lies of the lunatics on Fox news

since they consider me to be a low life liberal because I did not support trump

I now consider every trump supporter a lunatic Q anon believer

 

What is the difference between a "low life liberal" who supports Harris/Biden and a "conservative" who supports Harris/Biden?

 

Interesting question!