Trump's 2nd Senate Impeachment Trial Begins Tuesday

If the candidate that I worshipped, excuse me, supported was also supported by nutcases like Wood & Powell, white supremacists, Qanon supporters, etc, I would re-evaluate my beliefs. However, that is just me

 

Damn, that's funny....

Why don't you ask those scary chicks of Charles Manson how they feel about that defense?

EDIT - Had another thought... While your scenario has a 0% chance of happening, it's actually possible that the Managers will start bringing up evidence that some of the insurrectionists are saying in their legal defenses that T**** told them to act...

https://news.yahoo.com/capitol-rioters-trump-told-them-123643116.html

Noodle on that...

 

Charles Manson was not the President of the United States. How many times do bad prosecutors or bad police officers get all of their old cases tossed for bad actions?

This is a serious question. Not arguing for or against Trump and the trial. Just asking the question what happens? Admittedly, if you have demonstrated history where the President of the United States presumably directed his supporters to storm the Capitol and they were all still prosecuted, please share.

 

The problem with that theory is if you worshipped your candidate to that level, you are probably well beyond the ability to re-evaluate pretty much anything...

 

no it doesn't, it means they committed a crime for Trump... still guilty

Trump could have Pardoned them, that time has come and gone

 

The answer to your serious question is any attempt to get a criminal case impacted or thrown out because the POTUS was impeached is likely zero...

 

FWIW, I'm not a big fan of Cicilline.... there's no subtlety there.... I guess some think he's effective, but he's the worst of the bunch to date... even yesterday.

 

Not that the POTUS was impeached, but the POTUS was impeached for inciting a riot! No precedence for this.

I don't want the rioters to walk which is why I asked this question, but you are offering an opinion.

 

Where does the Constitution say the Senate can put on trial anyone they choose to including a private citizen, can legally sanction a private citizen and not have to follow the Constitution?

 

Doesn't matter about the House, yes he was president when they impeached him. He's not president NOW and only a President or VP or other high official can be tried by the Senate. The purpose of the trial is moot, he is no longer in office. It's a matter for the JUDICIAL system now.

 

The charge is incitement at the speech and they have not shown that. It must be specific, explicit and knowing what would be the outcome before hand. They have shown none of that. They have made LOTS of unsupported opiniated assertions. Have they called any witnesses no, it's hearsay.

They are so desperate now with all this time on their hands now they are trying to say that because he did not send in the Marines or something that that is incitement somehow. Of course we do not use the armed forces for domestic law enforcement and Trump is only Commander in Chief of the MILITARY not the COUNTRY. And the DoD had offered defense resources and national guard days before and the Capital turned them down and the Mayor who controls the streets wrote telling them not to send assistance, but they are trying to blame that on Trump so lets convict.

And then this "oh he was happy" spouting of not just hearsay but double hearsays, unnamed officials said this or that. Where are these so-called witnesses? Why weren't they brought before a House impeachment committee? Why aren't they sitting at a table in the well of the Senate? Why can't the Trump attorney's cross examine and challenge their testimony?

 

Oh, we WANT witnesses this time.... I'll jot that down....

Witness determination comes after juror Q&A which comes after presentations..

https://www.cnn.com/2021/02/08/politics/senate-impeachment-trial-organizing-resolution/index.html

Learn da rulz

 

The witnesses should have been called to the HOUSE and both sides allowed to question, actually since this is an impeachment based on the alleged commitment of a crime they should have been called by a prosecutor and a grand jury and if a crime was determined to have been committed report the charge to the Speaker of the House for an impeachment and removal so he could be prosecuted. But none of that happened and now we are at trial with evidentiary basis. And as I said they are presenting hearsay and unnamed sources. Who's on their witness are they going to call these people they are quoting to give testimony as to what they actually saw? How do you call an unnamed source to testify? Are they going to call the reporters whose reporting they are relying on? Are those reporters going to give up their sources? If they call Sasse to testify as to something someone else told him do you think the presiding judge will object and disallow the hearsay testimony?

Tell me did you once hear them say anything like "And we will be calling a witness to testify to this or that asserted fact?". How about if the Dems don't call these alleged witnesses to testify to these alleged statements does the Trump team get their names so THEY can call them and cross-examine them? Doesn't he have a right to face his accusers?

And all that just STARTS to touch on due process which is guarantied to any government action against any citizen.

 

Impeachment managers present evidence rioters were hunting for Pelosi

https://edition.cnn.com/videos/poli...eo/playlists/trumps-second-impeachment-trial/

 

The impeachment managers presented evidence rioters were hunting for just about anybody who worked there... the list was long and distinguished...

Sounds like Pence was put in the crosshairs immediately after T**** was informed Pence was on the move out of the chamber.

SNIP
The exact time Pence was taken from the Senate following the breach of the Capitol by the mob Trump had incited to try to overturn the presidential election was known the day of the attack, as was the time of Trump’s tweet. What was not known until Tuberville’s statement was whether Trump was aware of the danger Pence was in at the time he posted his tweet.
ENDSNIP

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/trum...jy6hrORnsgOC496CM8J4GS2yCk3k8V99SZVjEQYlB-AHb

Perhaps fellow insurrectionists Ted and Josh may have escaped bodily harm, but only if they remembered the secret handshake...

 

Trump is not being tried by the Senate for his actions as a Private citizen, he is being tried for his actions as President

 

I beg you, don't waste your time with that poster.... He's like a wonky slot machine..... There's no payoff....

 

Perhaps Lankford... found this tweet this AM

 

yep, it's like someone being charged with domestic abuse for beating their wife, then getting a divorce before the trial and saying, she is not his wife anymore, so it can't be domestic abuse anymore, so there should be no trial - at the time he was her husband

it's a bad defense move, but it's all they got

 

This process is not even as bad as your analogy, since nobody is legally charging the "husband" here...They are just trying to prevent him from getting married again, to be able to beat another woman....

 

Day 3 getting underway... I guessed they solved that Mike Lee mess last night??

What's on tap today? More videos? That was certainly fun, yesterday...

Chuck indicates similar schedule to yesterday...

DeGette leading off tying the insurrectionists to who they believed they were following...

Interesting there are 2 managers from Colorado... didn't realize that...

 

So if someone wants to avoid impeachment and being barred from holding office, they just need to resign before the senate trial?

 

If the Senate acquits Trump in the impeachment trial, some African Americans may interpret this as a “get out of jail” card if they are called on for jury duty. If white men in the Senate can ignore evidence against Trump, then they can ignore evidence against black people in “hoax” trials and return a non-guilty verdict against black defendants accused of crimes against white people.

It will be the OJ Simpson trial all over again, multiplied by hundreds.

 

Well, that's certainly one way.... An even better way is to have at least 34 cowards in the Senate exhibit willful blindness...

 

This part of the trial isn't necessary..... recounting the Whitmer kidnapping plot....