The Hypocrisy of the CPAC Cancel Culture Theme

Sure, you have to use actual figures though instead of making them up, deal?

Property Tax:
Highest state: New Jersey [source]
Highest city: Milwaukee [source]

California isn’t even in the top 10

Poverty: It depends on the metric used, if national metrics are used California doesn’t even rank in the top 10

Education (lowest): Alabama [source]

Population Change (highest): New York [source]

Maybe you are using a different definition for the word “actual”...

 

They still aren’t

 

They're still Americans whether you like them or not is irrelevant.

 

Which cancel culture do you mean? The far left and their insistence upon extreme political correctness? Or the GOP for their censure, attacks on, and shunning of Republicans who speak out against Trump?

Personally, I think both sides are chickenshit.

 

I'm curious as well. I'd like to see where you stand on the point made, aside from whether or not it is the equivalent of cancel culture.

Any problem with these issues? It is certainly not a false equivalence what the Wyoming GOP did to Liz, is it? How about what Kinzinger is having to deal with?

On board with the new top priority for the GOP? Trump and America Uncancelled? Do you agree with Jim Jordan that this is the number one issue facing America? The number one challenge?

 

I find it sad that some folks seem incapable of simple logic. The Ds were smart, crafty and magically connected enough to steal the Presidency, but not any of the numerous down ballot votes they lost to the Rs. That's the tell right there, just in case the fact that the Don was setting up a bs narrative to begin with wasn't enough.

Stupid games were played and continue to be played. Luckily we've not yet won the stupid prize that we would have as a result of those that support Trump even today. Putin smiles upon you.

 

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And Michelle Steele who won back my district from The D's.
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@Lee Atwater

There is no equivalence to a political decision regarding speakers at a convention, and the "cancel culture" crap we've seen lately. Cancel Washington. Cancel Jefferson. Cancel political enemies off social media. Cancel celebrities who voted for Trump.

It's the new McCarthyism of the left, and liberals should be ashamed of themselves.

And when it's called out, the left says, "Who? Me?" with false surprise.

Conservatives are pro-Constitutional rights and freedom of thought and expression. Liberals act more like the CCP every day it seems.

So instead of whataboutism and deflection, my advice to Democrats and liberals is to police yourselves. Clean up your own house. Or, you can just admit that what you're doing is counter to the spirit of the Constitution and un-American.

 

Ah, you seem to have lost the plot, so to speak.

This is the question that I'd like to see answered:

Any problem with many Repubs trying to cancel the result of the election, the Constitution, the legitimacy of the majority to govern, congressional oversight of the executive, etc.?

 

I'm an Independent.

Up until January 6th, I thought Trump's attempts in court to challenge the election were fine because he was using a peaceful legal system that allows us to resolve disputes under the rule of law. I didn't think he won the election, but I supported his right to challenge in court because I respect our ability to have recourse in a court of law. He lost my support on January 6th.

I have indulged your deflection.

Now then ... Are Democrats and liberals going to police themselves? Are they going to unequivocally support the letter and spirit of the Constitution? Are they going to turn away from censorship? Or are they going to endorse suppression of speech and thought that they don't agree with?

The irony for me is that when I was in high school and college, I learned the true meaning of freedom ... from liberals. They must be turning over in their graves at what so-called "liberals" are advocating and perpetrating today. McCarthyism is back, and liberals are the ones championing it. Sad.

 

No, what is sad is that you were fine with the first US President to fail to concede an election defeat and are now here whining about cancel culture, jumping on the band wagon of what your party is telling you is of foremost importance. Independent my ass.

 

I am conservative on some things, but more on the liberal side on others. I am a proud registered Independent. There are things about both Democrats and Republicans that I don't like. I voted for a Democrat in the primaries in 2020.

I thought Trump should have conceded the election, but I supported his right to be wrong in his opinion and in his speech - up until January 6th.

This is support of freedom of speech, no matter who says it, and no matter if they're wrong. That support must be unequivocal and unfettered, as long as it isn't overtly treasonous or overtly inciting violence.

One reason I remain an Independent is that I can't stand the progressive liberal agenda and its assault on our rights. It's "my way or the highway" with them. Conservatives may stridently disagree with liberals, but they will also stridently defend their right to say it. Liberals cannot claim that virtue, and they are not even trying to.

Like I said, I can think of a long-haired bearded hippie-looking professor I had decades ago who would be rolling over in his grave right now at what so-called liberals have become.

Seth

 

We certainly disagree. I do not support this concept you present that anyone can say, or tweet, or otherwise communicate unequivocally and unfettered any opinion or pronouncement or thought unless it is treasonous or inciteful of violence. I especially do not agree that the President of the United States can talk whatever kind of trash they care to. In fact, I believe there are, or should be, legal consequences for issuing false statements when one holds the office of the Presidency that serve to undermine the very foundation of our government.

Our government is established by voting. Trump has single handedly undermined our government with his false assertions about his stolen election. Rs gained across the board other than losing the Presidency, by a substantial amount, and the Senate by a frog hair. So the Ds were both smart enough to steal the Oval, but too stupid to steal any other seats?

This isn't a game. Our form of government was attacked by Trump for four years. The independence of the DOJ, always somewhat of a fiction, perverted by Hoover and never quite as true blue as many would have US believe, it was explicitly pushed to become simply an extension to support Trump running the country like it was his own personal business. Inspector Generals fired, cabinet positions turned over like never before, several due to fiduciary issues that probably should have resulted in prosecution. Our military alliances with Germany and other allies shredded by Trump.

This isn't a game. CPAC is putting on a wank fest theme that could have been written by Rush, or oddly enough, Maher: America Uncanceled. Give me a break. My my, hey hey - out of the blue and into the black. They give you this but you pay for that. What are they doing? Are they trying to burn out, instead of fade away? With a golden idol of this loser elitist from Queens no less? With a crowd that looks like they got into the wrong room from the Amway meeting they meant to attend?

Your assertion that conservatives will stridently defend free speech whereas liberals will not is, hmmm, what is it? This other assertion about it's my way or the highway with liberals, but not with conservatives, what is it? Your assertion that liberals lack this virtue that you falsely state that conservatives have, what is it?

What are conservatives Seth? Are they Rs? Are they Trump supporters?

We are both entitled to our opinions, but not to our facts. Who censured Liz Cheney for describing what Donald Trump did that culminated on Jan 6th? Who has contorted themselves beyond recognition in their attempt to conform to the identity politics of having Trump as their leader? I mean really, my way or the highway? One of the key characteristics of Trump's domination of the conservatives has been his success in obtaining total submission from them in support of what? Ending Cancel Culture?

 

Of course the DNC is! And it's not so much denial as it is secrecy!! Just look at how much memorabilia has be trashed by the left over the last several years..

Ya it's just as obvious as that!!

 

I predicted that Trump would lose the 2020 election before Covid struck us. It was an easy prediction to make, based upon the necessity for a candidate to win the Independents (almost a third of the electorate). Trump had won in 2016 because Independents narrowly voted for him. I knew that there was enough "Trump fatigue", as I call it, to swing enough of those Independents away from him, and that he would, therefore, lose the election. Covid was just the nail in coffin, but his chances of winning were nil before Covid.

That was his punishment for his offensive, unpresidential, and sometimes untrue statements.

We must not criminalize speech that is merely offensive or which tells things that are not true. If we did do that, who would be the judge?

Freedom of speech must stay just that. There are plenty of ways to judge the true from the untrue, and I say, let the court of public opinion decide. Free speech and free expression are cornerstones of our free society, and if we chip away at them, we take a step towards becoming Russia. No thanks.

I agree with you that Trump lost the election, but I will defend his right to not believe it and to state his opinion.

I agree that our form of government was attacked for four years, but there is plenty of blame to spread around. The Russian collusion investigation was fake from the word go, and it was nothing less than an attempt to nullify the 2016 election.

Let's be honest, shall we? Eric Holder and Loretta Lynch were just as loyal to President Obama and just as partisan as any A.G. appointed by Trump. They were just smarter about it.

It's just one man's opinion, but the Republicans at CPAC are making a big mistake if they try to promote and empower Donald Trump. In my opinion, they are making a mistake by having him give a speech there today. It's as if they are tone deaf. If Republicans have any chance of winning in 2022 and 2024, they have to leave Trump behind. I'm shaking my head at them. Nevertheless, I will defend their right to say what they want and have any speaker they want.

Grey Matter, let's be honest. It's not conservatives who are censoring. I think liberals have taken a dangerous turn lately against civil liberties. It has me concerned. Your opening paragraph is disturbing, as an example. The good news is that they are starting to do what I predicted they would do when Biden won the election. They are overstepping, acting as though they have a huge mandate, which they obviously do not. This has tremendous potential to backfire on them.

Conservatives share some values in common, but they are actually a diverse group. They don't agree on everything. If they want to win in 2024 they must lose their support for Donald Trump, and, instead, embrace and promote a candidate with grace and class but who believes in the same policies as Trump did. I happen to think that those policies are still very popular among a huge part of the electorate, even if Trump is not.

If the R's want to win in 2024, they have to unify and mend fences, and they have to leave Trump behind. If they aren't politically smart enough to do that, they will have to learn the hard way in 2024. That's the bottom line for them.

Seth

 

No democratic leader is herding, inciting, galvanizing, supporting, those zealots. And no, the zealots are not doing their thing because Maxine Waters wanted some folks to be rude to republicans in restaurants. They are anarchists, anti-government anti-fascist zealots, they are not democrats, and BLMers are reacting to police brutality, not to a single galvanizing agent.

But, on the right, with Trump, as President, he was herding, inciting, galvanizing, supporting right wing zealots.


That is the difference.

 

There has been no sign of the
National Republican Party organization
in California like forever!

The National GOP organization needs to demonstrate
leadership via making every district a competition
and stop abdicating its' more national role.
Witness #57 above. One from rich, White people, one from diverse & working folks.
Down with the Democratic Party Welfare Plantation system!


Moi before you

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If one loves poverty and is anti-Christian, then one votes Republican. What part of trickle-down economics is confusing? Right-wing socialists want to redistribute as much wealth and political power to the rich, and then let as little as possible trickle-down.

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Remember

Ron Paul, M.D. - R, opposed bail outs.
"Let them fail" was his mantra and I agree.

No such voice among the D's


Moi
Paulist

Don't Further ize
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Maybe they are not. It seems to me that there are quite a few who rather we had a more authoritarian government. Like one where the great Trump rules without question until it’s death. I do not find that very American at all.

 

Ron Paul? You mean the faux small government con artist who supported the following benefits for the corporate welfare state:

• Eliminate taxes on capital gains and dividends
• Eliminate the estate and gift tax
• Reduce the corporate income tax to a top rate of 15 percent
• Allow tax-free repatriation of overseas capital

 

Your belief in bilge water proves nothing.

 

Some days, you are quite entertaining.

 

I don't think there has been enough time passed to wash the taste of Obama-Biden out of the independents mouths either.. It wont take long before they realize that Biden and what's her name are just what they wanted to get away from four years ago..

Might be a weird choice in 2024. I personally think it will be up for grabs and the economy will be front and center..

 

ButterBalls, I have no confidence in the governance of Biden and the Democrats. I think they will be vulnerable to losing in 2024 if the Republicans nominate someone other than Trump but who espouses his policy positions. The problem with renominating Trump is the Independents. I think a lot of them liked his policies, but they didn't like him and his style of doing business, and they will not go back to that. I don't think they'll vote for him, and he can't win without them. That's just the math, and math isn't partisan.

IMHO, Republicans must nominate someone with grace and class who espouses Trump's policy positions if they want to win in 2024, but it can't be Trump himself. I think his policy positions are winners, though.

It's a tall order because the Independents will probably not vote for an arch conservative like Ted Cruz or an uninspiring milquetoast Republican like Mitt Romney or John Kasich or even Marco Rubio. I could be wrong, depending on how badly the Democrats eff things up in the next three years. But if we manage as a nation to just putter along without too much disruption, the R's are going to need a fresh face to win over the Independents and win the election in 2024.

Nikki Haley comes to mind. Smart, intelligent, articulate, experienced. Or even Pence with Haley ... who knows? But it can't be Trump.

I know he commands a loyal following. He did a lot of good things for the country, things I agree with wholeheartedly. But the cold political calculation is that he cannot win in 2024, and the R's have got to move on from Trump. If they don't, they're going to learn the hard way.

Seth